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 Post subject: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:34 pm 

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Looking for examples and knowledge about mounting air pumps horizontally on a locomotive. Has it been done before? Is there a special reason not to? Any maintenance or operational issues that might not seem obvious at first?

We have a loco we wish to maintain a backdated look on, and one option being investigated is to re-mount the air pump in a different location, that is less obvious to the public. We recognize that re-locating it will complicate the daily inspections, but we're considering all options at the moment

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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:50 pm 

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Check valves may not function in a horizontal plane. Check valves that I have seen are gravity sensitive. The air check valves would have to be spring loaded or reed valves used in some commercial air compressors.


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:55 pm 

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You are probably better off to locate the compressor (single cylinder Westinghouse type?) concealed on the tender, in a vertical orientation. I seem to recall hearing about this being done on a loco restoration. The additional piping for steam and discharge air would be a bit of trouble, but much less than trying to make a compressor function in a horizontal location.

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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:45 am 

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Yea, they need to be vertical. IIRC, Delaware & Hudson mounted the air compressor between the frames on an engine that they were trying to get a very clean look on.


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:45 am 

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I believe Swanton Pacific had their compressors mounted horizontally on the deck of their tenders. They looked to be full size compressors.

Might be worth reaching out to someone on that team and see what struggles, if any, they encountered.


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:49 am 

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Kelly Anderson wrote:
Yea, they need to be vertical. IIRC, Delaware & Hudson mounted the air compressor between the frames on an engine that they were trying to get a very clean look on.


A lot of locomotives in the UK have had air compressors mounted between the frames also.


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 11:32 am 

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I'll be darned. I just pulled up old video of the Swanton Pacific, and yup, there's a standard single air compressor up on top of the tender deck, sideways and horizontal.

Locomotive is 1912, 19" gauge.

I would have said no until I saw this...
https://dai.ly/x5mxg9q


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:18 pm 

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Randy Gustafson wrote:
yup, there's a standard single air compressor up on top of the tender deck, sideways and horizontal.
When the tender's rockin' don't come knockin'!


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 Post subject: Re: Horizontal mounting of air pumps
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2024 3:41 pm 

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Yeah, it looks full scale but perhaps not Locomotive. WABCO made pumps for other steam related uses, some of which were smaller........ still, given the option I'd rather go vertical as designed if possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 11:18 am 

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Louis MacDurmot approached WABCO about obtaining plans so that he could build scale down versions of their smallest air compressors. They wouldn't agree to that, but sent five 8" single compressors. The side tank locomotive had the compressor mounted vertically on the side of the smokebox. From what I have gathered he did the same with the Pacifics. The mounting of the compressors on the tenders came after the Overfair Railway.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:06 pm 

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