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 Post subject: Adirondack RR's 19.7 Million $ Upgrade
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:18 am 

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The Adirondack Railroad is the designated operator of 85 miles of track owned by New York State between Remsen-Tupper Lake.

Unhappily, as most here know, New York authorized the removal of 34 miles of track between Tupper Lake-Lake Placid.

However, the State then contracted with Tartaglia Railroad Services to upgrade the 85 mile line; until this year, the 45-mile stretch of track between Big Moose-Tupper Lake had not seen a revenue run since 1981.

Tartaglia began work in 2020. While work still remains to be done around the Tupper Lake station, the job is nearly done. Tartaglia recently provided this update on work to date:

83,951 ties replaced, 2743 feet of rail replaced, 82,580 bolts replaced, placed 65,630 tons of ballast (the line previously had mostly cinder ballast), surfaced 447,278 feet of track, replaced 3 public crossings & 17 private crossings, cleaned over 28,000 feet of ditches and miscellaneous turnout and siding work.

This video features a look at some sections of the newly reopened line north of Big Moose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFpAhUmmqGU

More specifically, a train is observed northbound over the Twitchell Creek bridge and, approximately 90 minutes later, the same train is observed southbound cresting the summit about 1/3 mile north of the former NY Central Big Moose passenger station.

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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack RR's 19.7 Million $ Upgrade
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:01 pm 

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This has certainly been a virtually monumental track restoration project and seeing that much of it back in service is sure impressive. What is even more astounding is a state government choosing to abandon 20+ miles of track that they have dumped millions of dollars into that was by no means abandoned.

Perhaps the biggest plus is that any one of the growing number of oil burning steam locomotives now running around could make an occasional run on this line. There is a wye in Tupper Lake, too.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:15 am 

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Thanks for the continuing story and especially for the photos, for which I have a question...

It appears that Twitchell Creek bridge originally had an "open" deck, with rail directly fastened to the bridge timbers (whose ends appear in the photo). In the rehabilitation, the track was raised significantly, creating a ballasted deck over Twitchell Creek.

This would require a new "floor" atop the retained bridge timbers, which would be typically designed in the shape of a well, with shoulders to prevent loss of ballast.

Unless this is a "temporary" arrangement, can anybody advise how the shoulder ballast is retained in this structure?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:35 am 

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R Paul Carey wrote:

Unless this is a "temporary" arrangement, can anybody advise how the shoulder ballast is retained in this structure?


I put your question to Doug Ellison, recently retired career railroader and a former superintendent of the Adirondack:

"As far as I know, Twitchell was always a ballast-deck bridge. It was way back in NYC days anyway and was not changed or altered by ADK RR or ARPS. As far as I can recall, all of the NYC Adirondack Division main line bridges were ballast-deck (except Kayuta), but not on the D&H Saranac-Placid side....The bridge has concrete retainers (or had in my day) on each side to retain the ballast...it was no different in NYC days in the 50's"


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 3:49 pm 

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The first passenger train from Utica to Tupper Lake since 1981 is running tomorrow, October 16, 2022:
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Be part of history, with a ride on the first passenger train to travel to Tupper Lake since 1981! Our Inaugural train ride is a 11 hour round trip ride through the Adirondacks. A continental Breakfast will be served to all riders on our journey North. Lunch will be served on the return trip. Lunch is included in our First Class and Diamond Class Ticket price. Our Café car will be open for coach customers.

Regular trips to Tupper Lake will be offered in 2023.

Here's the link to the sold-out excursion:
Adirondack RR: High Peaks Limited (Utica → Tupper Lake)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:28 pm 

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An October 17, 2022 article in the Adirondack Daily Enterprise:

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TUPPER LAKE — Hundreds of passengers flooded out of an Adirondack Scenic Railroad locomotive at the Tupper Lake Junction on Sunday, smiles spread across many of their faces. The air was cool and filled with enthusiasm and chatter about their journey to the Tri-Lakes from Utica.

While this wasn’t the locomotive’s first trip to Tupper Lake this season — a train rolled into Tupper Lake last month to much fanfare — it’s the first public revenue train in around 40 years. It’s been just over 130 years since the first passenger train, operated by the Mohawk and Malone Railroad, arrived in Tupper Lake in 1892, according to the Adirondack Railway Preservation Society.

Passengers on Sunday rode the train from Utica to Tupper Lake and back. The round-trip travel time was around nine hours, and passengers stopped at the Tupper Lake Junction for about an hour and a half to check out local sights and mill around Sunday’s “Junction Function” event, where there was live music, a pop-up art show featuring works from the recent Tupper Lake Plein Air Festival and a beer tasting with Racquette River Brewing, among other activities. Adirondack Mac, the Lake Placid 2023 FISU World University Games mascot, was welcoming passengers as they stepped off the train.

Tickets for Sunday’s trip were “basically” sold out, according to the railroad’s crew — Adirondack Railroad Volunteer Coordinator Ashley LaForce said that more than 200 people took the train, and only a few seats were vacant. Tickets for adults ranged from $150 to $260, with options for coach, first class and upper or lower-level “diamond class” tickets.

Link to the full story: ‘Junction Function’ welcomes rail passengers to Tupper Lake


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 6:19 pm 

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Great news. Typical journalism:

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Hundreds of passengers flooded out of an Adirondack Scenic Railroad locomotive


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:27 pm 

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wesp wrote:
Great news. Typical journalism:

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Hundreds of passengers flooded out of an Adirondack Scenic Railroad locomotive

Easy to explain: They pulled the prime mover and put in racks of seats with pedals to save on fuel. It was lunch break.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:03 pm 

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Here's a video featuring highlights/interviews from yesterday's Utica-Tupper Lake and return run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FBJVGJGTdc


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:21 am 

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ParisHill wrote:
Here's a video featuring highlights/interviews from yesterday's Utica-Tupper Lake and return run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FBJVGJGTdc


I just got to look at this, and a couple of things stand out.

One is that scenically, it's not as spectacular as the narrow gauge country of Colorado and New Mexico, but it's still more than pleasant enough to put down the lie from the trail crowd that it would be just a boring ride (and if would be boring as a train ride, then it would be boring as a snowmobile ride, and REALLY boring on foot!) Lots of woods and lakes, and parts look boggy or swampy, too; I can believe some comments seen in other venues about the issues with beavers!

Another thing is that running speeds for the most part look pretty decent! This is anything but some weedy, 10-mph railroad. This, and the relatively low cost per mile of the rejuvenation, again puts down the lies from the trail crowd about the northern end--which still lacks the improvements the trail crowd was supposed to get, at an unknown cost. In fact, a part of that segment that regularly had beaver troubles is showing signs of neglect already (at least that's how it looks in other forums), and it won't be too long before there are washouts from those industrious animals.

The only suggestions I'd suggest the management consider would be to find some way to reopen the line to Lake Placid (and we can use the lies from the trail crowd as ammunition to reverse that mistake), and finding some way to incorporate steam power (this would be a really wonderful ride with steam and appropriate cars, even more so than it looks now). Note that both of these comments are merely suggestions for consideration, and that either one would obviously depend on money and time.

Still, it's great to see some real progress after what has been going on for years there.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:14 am 

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J3a-614 wrote:

One is that scenically, it's not as spectacular as the narrow gauge country of Colorado and New Mexico, but it's still more than pleasant enough to put down the lie from the trail crowd that it would be just a boring ride (and if would be boring as a train ride, then it would be boring as a snowmobile ride, and REALLY boring on foot!) Lots of woods and lakes, and parts look boggy or swampy, too; I can believe some comments seen in other venues about the issues with beavers!

Another thing is that running speeds for the most part look pretty decent! This is anything but some weedy, 10-mph railroad. This, and the relatively low cost per mile of the rejuvenation, again puts down the lies from the trail crowd about the northern end--which still lacks the improvements the trail crowd was supposed to get, at an unknown cost. In fact, a part of that segment that regularly had beaver troubles is showing signs of neglect already (at least that's how it looks in other forums), and it won't be too long before there are washouts from those industrious animals.



As a local and someone who chased the inaugural trip (I wish I could have ridden but I had a bunch of unplanned expenses that made the $150 ticket ill-advised at the moment) I can confirm that it goes through some remote territory. You can kind of follow it closely by road below Remsen. The Remsen-Thendara segment gets a little trickier, especially with traffic. Above Thendara though, it's out in "no man's land" for a lot of the journey. You aren't seeing that scenery unless you take the train or have a small airplane.

And, yes, this is a relatively high-speed operation over a well-maintained roadbed. In a car they are tough to keep pace with, and when they went by me at Big Moose Station, they were really wheeling and kicking up quite a bit of dust.

An advantage to riding the train north of Thendara that I really haven't seen mentioned is that it lets you bypass the bottleneck that is Old Forge. Old Forge is a major tourist destination with really only one road through it, and on a weekend in the summer and fall it's not that uncommon to spend an hour or two trying to get the 3 or 4 miles through Old Forge. If you just want to see the sights and spend a little time in Tupper Lake, you can skip the aggravation.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:39 am 

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A favorable commentary on the return of rail service on the Adirondack--and a confirmation that the ride was smooth on the repaired track.

In fact, I think a lot of people don't know how good rail equipment can ride. I have a relative who couldn't believe it, not with steel on steel, had to feel every bump, etc. I asked him, when does a railroad have potholes?

https://romesentinel.com/stories/kellys ... ake,142370


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 9:31 am 

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