Okay, I'm trying to construct a complete passenger car listing for Denver Railcar, so I'd thought I'd go ahead and list what I have and see if there's any cars I'm missing. Also, any disposition updates/corrections would be helpful.

Also, if anyone could provide the history/timeline of Denver Railcar, and also the extent of their operations. As far as I know, their operations included the Acadian, the South Orient Express on the Mexican American Railway, and the Roaring Fork Railroad (this was a planned operation to Aspen, CO). Apparently, some cars were leased to the Texas Southern, which operated the Texas Limited. At least one car was also leased to the Wyoming & Colorado. Denver Railcar was apparently owned by Randy Parten. Were there any other partners in the operation?

Note: apparently Denver Railcar planned to add "Silver" to many of their car names, but only some cars had the "Silver" prefix applied, the rest simply carried the name suffix. To simplify the listings, all DRCX car names will include the "Silver" prefix.

1. ACL 54 seat coach #217 (Budd, 1946, Lot #96815) to SCL #5409 to Amtrak #5409 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5409 (#800339)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

2. ACL 54 seat coach #218 (Budd, 1946, Lot #96815) to SCL #5410 to Amtrak #5410 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5410 (#800340)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

3. AT&SF 36 seat diner #1497 (Budd, 1942, Lot #96915) to Amtrak #8042 (1971) sold 1981 to Alaska RR #4842 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #4842 (#800335) sold (when??) to Illinois Transit Assembly--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

4. AT&SF baggage-express #3551 (Budd, 1957, Lot #9601-209) to Amtrak #1065 (1971) converted to HEP #1240 (11/1977) sold 1993 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #1240 Silver Mist and rebuilt to power car sold at 5/2004 auction to Inland Lakes Railway-Florida Rail Adventures (ILRV) #1240 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG) #1240 (when??) and assigned to the Saratoga & North Creek

5. CofG 54 seat coach #665 Fort McPherson (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-012, Man O'War) to SOU #665 via merger (1963) to Amtrak #5486 (1979) sold 1981 to Alaska RR #5220 sold 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5220 to Les Kasten to ITAX traded to SARM for SOU coach #827

6. CB&Q dome coffee shop "Chuckwagon" #253 Silver Cup (Budd, 1956, Lot #9657-169, Denver Zephyr) to BN #805 (1970, not applied) to Amtrak #9813 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold 1/1982 to Alfred K. Nippert-Gator Rail Tours (GRTX) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) apparently not used in service--parts source??--apparently there was fire damage in the dome--sold at 5/15/1999 auction to Robert Menzies-Carolina Leasing to Les Kasten-Kasten Railcar to unknown party--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

7. CB&Q 6S-6RM-4DB sleeper #462 Silver Hyacinth (Budd, 1952, Lot #9658-112, Plan #9530, American Royal Zephyr) to BN (1970) to Amtrak #2152 (1971) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #462 (#800022)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

8. CB&Q 24 seat dome 46 seat women-and-children coach #4716 Silver Bridle (Budd, 1948, Lot #9656-019, California Zephyr) to BN #4680 (1970, not applied) to Amtrak #9450 (1971) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7004 (2nd, not applied) to #7031 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7031 and rebuilt to a dome diner lounge leased to Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Robert Rabkin-Inland Lakes Railway-Florida Rail Adventures (ILRV) #4716 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG) #4275 (when??) and assigned to the Saratoga & North Creek.

9. CB&Q 24 seat dome 46 seat women-and-children coach #4717 Silver Lodge (Budd, 1948, Lot #9656-019, California Zephyr) to BN #4681 (1970) to Amtrak #9451 (1971) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7005 (not applied) to #7032 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7032 leased to Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Western Pacific RR Museum (FRRX) #4717

10. CB&Q 24 seat dome 46 seat coach #4722 Silver Stirrup (Budd, 1948, Lot #9646-019, California Zephyr) to BN #4686 (1970, not applied) to Amtrak #9456 (1971) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7003 (not applied) to #7034 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7034 (#800334) leased to Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Grand Canyon Railway (GCRX) #7034 Grand View

11. D&RGW 24 seat dome 46 seat coach-conductor's desk #1106 Silver Colt (Budd, 1948, Lot #9655-020, California Zephyr) to Amtrak #9446 (1983, not applied) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7000 (not applied) to #7021 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7021 (#800024) leased to Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Grand Canyon Railway (GCRX) #7021

12. D&RGW 24 seat dome 46 seat coach-conductor's desk #1107 Silver Mustang (Budd, 1948, Lot #9655-020, California Zephyr) to Amtrak #9447 (1983, not applied) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7001 (not applied) to #7022 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7022 (#800446) leased to WYCO and Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Jon Clark

13. D&RGW 24 seat dome 46 seat coach #1108 Silver Pony (Budd, 1948, Lot #9646-020, California Zephyr) to Amtrak #9448 (1983, not applied) sold 2/1984 to Alaska RR #7002 (not applied) to #7033 sold 10/1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7033 (#800447) leased to WYCO and Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Grand Canyon Railway derailed in transport and stored at Williams sold to Illinois Railway Museum (IRYM) #7033 (sans trucks) and moved to Union on TTX flatcar (another pair of trucks were donated for and are now under the car)

14. FEC 36 seat diner Fort Ribault (P-S, 1950, Lot #6808, Plan #7592) sold 1965 to SAL #6119 to SCL #5959 to Amtrak #8089 (1971) retired 7/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #8089 Tarboro (#800338) to Gold Coast RR Museum (when??)

15. FEC 56 seat coach Jacksonville (Budd, 1946, Lot #96715) sold 1965 to SAL #6263 to SCL #5627 to Amtrak #5627 (1971) sold 3/1985 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5627 Silver Magnolia (#800500) to M&E #1002 Magnolia--car currently in use on Morristown & Erie/Maine & Eastern

16. M&StL 56 seat coach #52 (Budd, 1948, #9613-007) sold 1957 to CRI&P as #363 Herington sold (when??) to Hank Frazier (Ruston, LA) sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #3363 Silver Queen (#800021) leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

17. M&StL 56 seat coach #54 (Budd, 1948, #9613-007) sold 1957 to CRI&P as #365 El Reno sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #3365 Silver Knight (#800499) leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

18. MP 24 seat dome 46 seat coach #891 (Budd, 1948, Lot #9646-006) to #591 (1963) sold 6/1967 to IC #2201 retired and sold 2/1970 to William Langhoff Arlo Guthrie (not applied) to Butterworth Tours and leased to Golden Arrow Tours (GALT) sold 1986 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #7891 Maroon Bells and rebuilt to a dome diner (#800023) leased to Texas Southern sold at 5/2004 auction to Philip Sheridan sold 12/2004 to Delaware & Ulster RR

19. NP 24 seat dome 4DB-4RM-4S sleeper #310 (Budd, 1954, Lot #9669-141, Plan #9535, North Coast Limited) to BN #1442 (1970, not applied) wrecked 1/1971 at McKenzie, ND, on train #25/#31 to Amtrak #9213 (not applied and retired on acceptance due to wreck damage--Amtrak received NP 8RM-6DB-4C sleeper #372 instead) sold 5/1973 to J.W. Kerslake sold 1975 to Les Kasten sold 1986 to Denver Railcar sold 1987 to Dirk Lenthe traded 1996 to Mark Bucol and John Arbuckle for MILW Skytop Coffee Creek sold 3/2001 back to Dirk Lenthe and Lon Orlenko sold 10/2008 to Orford Express

20. NYC 30 seat parlor 10 seat lounge observation #61 (Budd, 1948, Lot #9638-004)--there's a conflict with this car's history--Randall lists this car as being sold to "Johnnie's Vets Club" in Des Moines, IA, in 1965, whereas Terry Link lists this car as being sold to KCS in 8/1966--can anyone clarify??--it was eventually acquired by Denver Railcar as DRCX #9061 and leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

21. NYC 56 seat coach #2900 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2900 to Amtrak #5640 (1973) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5640 Silver Ash (#800545) to M&E #1003 Ash (when??)--car currently in use on Morristown & Erie/Maine & Eastern

22. NYC 56 seat coach #2901 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2901 to Amtrak #5641 (1973) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5641 Silver Elm (#800546) to M&E #1004 Elm (when??)--car currently in use on Morristown & Erie/Maine & Eastern

23. NYC 56 seat coach #2909 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2909 to Amtrak #5646 (1975) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5646 Silver Fir (#800547) to M&E #1007 Fir (when??)--car currently in storage at Cedar Knolls, NJ with a few ex-AT&SF Budd coaches

24. NYC 56 seat coach #2937 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2937 to Amtrak #5660 (1974) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5660 Silver Oak (#800548)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

25. NYC 56 seat coach #2944 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2944 to Amtrak #5663 (1975) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5663 Silver Palm (#800549)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

26. NYC 56 seat coach #2947 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9613-004) to PC #2947 to Amtrak #5665 (1974) retired 10/1983 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5665 Silver Pine (#800550)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

27. SAL 48 seat diner #6111 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9624-009) to SCL #5916 to Amtrak #8016 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6111 (parts source for #6114??)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

28. SAL 48 seat diner #6114 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9624-009) to SCL #5919 to Amtrak #8019 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6114 Silver Lady sold at 5/2004 auction to Inland Lakes Railway-Florida Rail Adventures (ILRV) #6114 to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG) #6114 (when??) and assigned to the Saratoga & North Creek

29. SOU 52 seat coach #816 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5278 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5200 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5200 Silver Aspen sold at 5/2004 auction to Grand Canyon Railway (GCRX) #5200--used as a parts source for #822/#5205--does anyone know the current status of this car??

30. SOU 52 seat coach #817 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5279 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5201 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5201 Silver Cedar (#800417) sold at 5/2004 auction to Inland Lakes Railway-Florida Rail Adventures (ILRV) #8201 to MRLX #5201 and stored at Mount Dora, FL, in 2005 with ARR logos still present--does anyone know the current current status of this car??

31. SOU 52 seat coach #819 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5280 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5202 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5202 Silver Maple sold at 5/2004 auction to Walden's Ridge RR Company (ETA and Hayneshopcat) (WRRX) #819

32. SOU 52 seat coach #820 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5281 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5203 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5203 Silver Pecan (#800416) sold at 5/2004 auction to same party as #816/#5200 and #822/#5205, which are both now owned by GCRY--so the question is, did GCRY purchase these cars directly at the auction, or was there a middleman involved??--current status/location??

33. SOU 52 seat coach #821 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5282 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5204 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5204 Silver Spruce (#800418) sold at 5/2004 auction to same party as #816/#5200 and #822/#5205, which are both now owned by GCRY--so the question is, did GCRY purchase these cars directly at the auction, or was there a middleman involved??--current status/location??

34. SOU 52 seat coach #822 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5283 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5205 sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5205 Silver Walnut (#800445) sold at 5/2004 auction to Grand Canyon Railway (GCRX) #5205--in service as the Buckey O'Neill

35. SOU 52 seat coach #828 (Budd, 1949, Lot #9613-030) to Amtrak #5289 (1979) sold 4/1983 to Alaska RR #5206 wrecked (vestibule crunched) and repaired (with a lower quality steel) sold approx. 1989 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #5206 Silver Willow sold at 5/2004 auction to MRLX--by the time of the auction, the repairs to the vestibule were coming apart, and the car is now in storage at Mid-America

36. SP 66-B-2 economy baggage #6738 transferred to MofW and used as a storage shed at the yard in Oakridge, OR, on the Natron Cutoff (Cascade Summit) as SPMW #6738 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6738 (#800455)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

37. SP 66-B-2 economy baggage #6743 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6743 (#800465) and rebuilt to power car--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

38. SP 66-B-2 economy baggage #6745 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6745 (#800454)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

39. SP 66-B-2 economy baggage #6765 transferred to MofW and used as a storage shed as SPMW #6765 renumbered to SPMW #6742 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6765 (#800453) sold (when??) to Les Kasten-Kasten Railcar (KRSX)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

40. US Army kitchen #89630 (St. Louis, 1953, Lot #1773) to Amtrak baggage #1360 (1973, equipped with HEP for startup of Amfleet I use on Northeast Corridor) sold 12/1993 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #1360 to WMSR (when??) to USDOT (DOTX) #223 (#800717) (when??)

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

3. Phil Dohmen's dome database at: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain/

4. Burlington Route Historical Society lightweight passenger car roster at: http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/rosters/stainlessnumber.html

5. Rock Island Technical Society passenger car disposition list at: http://www.rits.org/www/equipment/ripassdisp.html

6. Stan Garner's Amtrak #800xxx-series listings at: http://www.movie-trains.com/pvlist.html

7. Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

8. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database at: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

9. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages at: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

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I can help with a few:

Silver Aspen is on GCR Property in Williams, listed as 'Not Rebuildable'. (Incidentally, on my old records I show the 7033 as 'Not Rebuildable', but IRM thinks otherwise!)

Silver Knight 3365 is a GCR car, in service as the 'Santa Fe'.

Silver Pecan and Silver Spruce are stored on property, listed as 'Rebuildable', for when buisness ever increases to create the need.

Eric

Thanks, Eric, for the info on Silver Aspen, Silver Knight, Silver Pecan, and Silver Spruce!

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There was no middle man on any of the GCR former Southern cars, they bid and won them directly. The 828 did not sell at the auction, and I think MRLX bought it after the fact. Among other things, it was off its trucks and missing the fluting on one side -- considerable work has been done in the meantime to get it moved and the fluting back on.

ETA

The wrecked Southern/ARR/DRCX 5208 coach was purchased out of San Antonio, and moved to Gateway Rail in 2007. The car is not owned by Mid America, the marks were used only to move the car. It has a great interior!

SILVER CUP - died an unceremonious death in October of 2011, the fire burned so hot that the dome frames melted and the camber left the frame of the car. It's vitals were harvested prior to dismemberment.

Thanks, ETA, for the info on #828/#5206 and the four cars acquired by GCRY!

Thanks, MRLX1020, for the info on #828/#5206 and #253 Silver Cup!

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Southern coach 827, Amtrak former ATSF diner 8042 and ACL PS diner Tarboro all died in June or July of 2011 at Gateway Rail Services. Tarboro had been at ITAC along with the former ATSF Amtrak diners 8042 and 8040 (8043 escaped in 2006 to a home in Iowa).

14. FEC 36 seat diner Fort Ribault (P-S, 1950, Lot #6808, Plan #7592) sold 1965 to SAL #6119 to SCL #5959 to Amtrak #8089 (1971) retired 7/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #8089 Tarboro (#800338) to Gold Coast RR Museum (when??)

The car was at the Florida East Coast Railway Historical & Transporation Museum in Fort Pierce and not at the GCRRM in 2011.

16. M&StL 56 seat coach #52 (Budd, 1948, #9613-007) sold 1957 to CRI&P as #363 Herington sold (when??) to Hank Frazier (Ruston, LA) sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #3363 Silver Queen (#800021) leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

Its worth noting that sometime after being sold off by CRIP the car saw some use for several years (1977 to 1989 at least) on the Ashley Drew & Northern without name nor number...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1611442
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1906177
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1873824

17. M&StL 56 seat coach #54 (Budd, 1948, #9613-007) sold 1957 to CRI&P as #365 El Reno sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #3365 Silver Knight (#800499) leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

On the Grand Canyon renamed Santa Fe...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=908797
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=72594

20. NYC 30 seat parlor 10 seat lounge observation #61 (Budd, 1948, Lot #9638-004)--there's a conflict with this car's history--Randall lists this car as being sold to "Johnnie's Vets Club" in Des Moines, IA, in 1965, whereas Terry Link lists this car as being sold to KCS in 8/1966--can anyone clarify??--it was eventually acquired by Denver Railcar as DRCX #9061 and leased to Texas Southern--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

This car is on the Delaware & Ulster...
http://public.fotki.com/Peirce/railroad/delaware__ulster_rr/jun_12_05_budd_roun.html

27. SAL 48 seat diner #6111 (Budd, 1947, Lot #9624-009) to SCL #5916 to Amtrak #8016 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6111 (parts source for #6114??)--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

This car is on display with SAL #6111 at Boca Raton, Fl.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060822071535/http://hebners.net/amtrak/amtDINER/amt8018.jpg

37. SP 66-B-2 economy baggage #6743 sold (when??) to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #6743 (#800465) and rebuilt to power car--does anyone know the current status/location of this car??

This car is on the Adrian & Blissfield along with a second SP Economy baggage, number not known...
http://www.railroadmichigan.com/abdf6743.jpg
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1777314
http://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/8639522686

40. US Army kitchen #89630 (St. Louis, 1953, Lot #1773) to Amtrak baggage #1360 (1973, equipped with HEP for startup of Amfleet I use on Northeast Corridor) sold 12/1993 to Denver Railcar (DRCX) #1360 to WMSR (when??) to USDOT (DOTX) #223 (#800717) (when??)

Photos of the car started showing up in 2008.

Thanks, Jerry, for the info on Fort Ribault, Herington, El Reno, NYC #61, SAL #6111, SP #6743, and DOTX #223!

I thought the car at Boca Raton was the #6113/#8018, not the #6111/#8016. Can anyone clarify??

Thanks, MRLX1020, for the info on SOU #827, ACL Tarboro, #8040, #8042, and #8043!

Was the #1498/#8043 sold to CBRX?? (My notes show that CBRX owned #1491/#8036.)

What is the current status of #1495/#8040??

Does anyone know if the SOU #817 is still stored in Mount Dora, FL??



Does anyone know when the fire occurred?? During storage after retirement by Amtrak but before sale, or at a later date??

As a side note, does anyone know the current status/location of the other "Chuckwagon" dome built for the Denver Zephyr, #254 Silver Kettle??

CB&Q #254 Silver Kettle to BN #806 (1970, not applied) to Amtrak #9814 (1971) retired 10/1981 sold 1/1982 to Alfred K. Nippert-Gator Rail Tours (GRTX) #9814 sold 1987 to VIA Rail as #518 and stripped for planned rebuild project cancelled due to budget cuts and stored at Montreal sold 12/2006 to MRLX as #254

Source:

1. Phil Dohmen's dome car database at: http://www.trainweb.org/web_lurker/WebLurkersDOMEmain/

Thanks, MRLX1020, for the info on #1491, #1498, #1495, #253 Silver Cup, and #254 Silver Kettle!

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My bad... I believe I have that listed wrong and will get it corrected.

More info/clarification:

From a thread from December 2003: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7768



Did this car have DLWX reporting marks during use on the Acadian? Was the purchase directly from Amtrak in 1993? Thanks in advance!

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One of the cars that is or was on the WMSR was 1365, which is shown in one photo having the WMSR reporting mark, dated 2011...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2764621

As for Denver Railcar goes I know of one shot of this car on the Western Maryland Scenic, shown as DRCX 1360, at Cumberland, MD. While it has been mentioned that this car was used on the Acadian I can not find any evidence that this is the case. Every photo I could find of the train shows a Budd baggage car, not a former troop kitchen, as being on the train...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=551331

The number 1360 has been listed as being the AMTK number for DOTX 223. The link below is for the earliest pic that I could find of DOTX 223 and is dated for 2008, also taken in Cumberland, MD., showing it having the DOTX lettering... but the reporting mark and number is on the opposite side of the door so it makes me wonder if this is in fact a different car than the one shown in the link above.
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1252734

I can't help but wonder what the AMTK number of the DOTX car is? It would be great if this car's correct history could be nailed down.

Anyone know about the former MoPac Dome 891. Im trying to find out when the windows that were covered over in the dome were uncovered and who did that and what was involved in doing so. Our museum has the MP sister car 892/ IC 2202 that had the same plated over upper dome window "treatment" We were wondering if the window frames are still under the plate that was welded over or if they were removed. We have pondered putting the upper windows back in but if the window frames are gone, that would present a problem. If anyone has any information as to who converted the 891's windows back, we would love to ask them some questions.

Jeff