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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:15 am 

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Tom F wrote:
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There is a lot more than rust on the surfaces that need to be cleaned. Does this blow off paint? How about lead paint? How about lead fumes floating around? Got a respirator? Good. What about lead deposits on you and the walls and the floor and everything else? Might not be a panacea.


This as opposed to someone with a sander, or wire wheel who is sanding a locomotive or railcar for months on end producing endless amounts of dust covering everything and everyone in the shop?


I understand your point however would you want to spend tens of thousands of dollars to do what you can do with a $100 grinder? And do you want to vaporize contaminants rather than just turn them into dust?

Just saying that technology might not be the best way to approach a bad situation.


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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:49 pm 

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I don't know how often hard lead paint or primer is encountered in railroad preservation, but I do remember removing the sealing layer from a house finished with cedar shakes in 1919 and primed with white lead. This was near-impossible to remove with any kind of wire wheel, and abrasive resulted in dramatic amounts of fines (and substantial damage to the raised grain of the shakes which were instantly abraded preferentially when exposed). The only technique that worked was to soften the entire 'remaining' coating, including the amount that had saturated the surface layers of the shakes, and then carefully cut the softened membrane with a sharpened flexible knife. Wearing proper respiration protection.

Accomplishing this with some types of laser would likely be more effective than using more obvious kinds of radiant heat/IR generation, as it would NOT require ablating the surface coating, but merely pulsing the heating shy of inducing actual decomposition. I'd suspect very little practice would be needed to confirm the actual time and pattern needed to accomplish this. Disposal of the removed paint membrane would probably be much simpler than lead-bearing dust, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:23 pm 

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The future is here: Check out this $50 laser: https://www.btmd.online/index.php?route ... d70V8FNYVs


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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:38 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:13 am 

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Hey, it's on Facebook so it has to be true! They wouldn't post it without checking, any more than Kalmbach would ... oh, wait...

Ruskin said it first, and perhaps said it best:

There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey.

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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:19 pm 

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I can't wait for them to be sold at freight harbor.


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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:40 am 

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Figure out how to routinely replace cross ties and save rust/paint removal to tried and true methods - you'll be way ahead of most outfits materially and financially.

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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:53 am 

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I don't post much because I have little experience in operation or restoration but this topic requires nether.
This may well be the future of restoration, but it will be a few years yet for them to be economical for large scale deep paint and rust removal. Remember when LEDs were only used for indicator lights? Look what we have now! These tools will become better, smaller and cheaper, and in 40 years who knows.

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 Post subject: Re: Lasers the future of railroad preservation?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:05 pm 

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This gadget will be more readily accessible, and I can see it being particularly useful in maintenance work that always involves getting rust out of the way. If there is something faster than wire brushes, solvents, blasting etc it will find its way in to RR preservation as it becomes more widely available. We start seeing it find its way in to auto shops and you'll know its price has come to the reasonable investment level.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:58 pm 

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