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 Post subject: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2014 5:22 am 
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In February 1948, Union Pacific placed an order for fifty 10RM-6DB sleepers from the Budd Company, which were delivered from December 1949 to June 1950 in Budd Lot #9660-039 to Pullman Plan #9522. Excluding one car which was wrecked at an earlier date, the remaining 49 cars were assigned #14xx-series numbers in 1969 (#1401-#1449), but not all were applied. Five were sold to the Milwaukee Road (as #33-#37) that same year and remained in UP colors for the Overland Pool, one was retained, and the other 43 were sold to Amtrak in 1971 (as #2600-#2642). Several of these cars were the first sleepers to be converted to head end power (HEP) by Amtrak.

I am looking to round out the disposition list of these sleepers.

Pacific Bay to #1401 (1969) to Amtrak #2600 to HEP #2900 (1979). Retired in 1996. Current status unknown.

Pacific Beach to #1402 (1970) to Amtrak #2601 to HEP #2440 (1981). Retired in 2002. Current status unknown.

Pacific Beauty to #1403 (1969) to Amtrak #2602 to HEP #2880 (1979). Retired and sold in 2001 to Friends of the 261, later resold (when??) to Loram as CNRX #2660.

Pacific Bend to #1404 (1969) to Amtrak #2603 to HEP #2903 (1978) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2504 (1998). Stored in 2007, reactivated in 2008 as #10020. Renamed Pacific Command (2nd) for use by Amtrak Police, including use in Seattle during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver. Name has since been changed back to Pacific Bend. Used as the crew car for Amtrak's exhibit train.

Pacific Bridge to #1405 (not applied) to MILW #33 (1969) sold to SCD #629 and renamed Navarra (1971).

Pacific Cape to #1406 (not applied) to Amtrak #2604 to HEP #2891 (1980) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2521 (1999). Retired in 2007, reactivated in 2008 as #10021 and renamed Pacific Patrol (2nd). Name has since been changed back to Pacific Cape.

Pacific Castle to #1407 (not applied) to Amtrak #2605 to HEP #2438 (1980). Retired in 2002. Current status unknown.

Pacific Command (1st) to #1408 (1970) to Amtrak #2606 to HEP #2892 (1980) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2524 (2000). Stored in 2007. Current status unknown.

Pacific Cove to #1409 (1970) to Amtrak #2607 to HEP #2441 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to private ownership #800037.

Pacific Crest to #1410 (1970) to Amtrak #2608 to HEP #2436 (1980). Retired and sold in 2002 to MRLX. Current status unknown.

Pacific Cruiser to #1411 (not applied) to MILW #34 (1969) sold to SCD #631 and renamed Galicia (1971).

Pacific Domain to #1412 (1970) retained (1971) to crew dormitory #202 (1972) renamed Cabarton (1980) reconfigured to crew dormitory diner lounge (4DB) UPP #202 (1989) renamed Willie James (#800617) (2009).

Pacific Emblem to #1413 (1969) to Amtrak #2609. Wrecked on 12-16-1971 and subsequently scrapped in 8-1973.

Pacific Empire wrecked on 11-21-1951, at Wyuta, UT, and subsequently scrapped in 1953.

Pacific Falls to #1414 (1970) to Amtrak #2610 to HEP #2430 (1980). Wrecked in 8-1994 on #49 Lake Shore Limited at Batavia, NY. Later sold (when??) to ITAX and noted as parts source. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

Pacific Forest to #1415 (1969) to Amtrak #2611 to HEP #2911 (1977) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2505 (1998). Stored in 2007, was planned for reactivation as #10022, but later cancelled. Current status unknown.

Pacific Forum to #1416 (1969) to Amtrak #2612 to HEP #2431 (1980). Stored in 2001 and later sold (when??) to ITAX. Current status unknown.

Pacific Gardens to #1417 (1969) to Amtrak #2613 to HEP #2913 (1978) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2516 (1998). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Guard to #1418 (not applied) to MILW #35 (1969) sold to SCD #630 and renamed Aragon (1971) to FNM #351.

Pacific Harbor to #1419 (not applied) to MILW #36 (1969) sold to SCD #632 and renamed Versalles (1971) to FNM #632.

Pacific Heights to #1420 (1970) to Amtrak #2614 to HEP #2433 (1980). Wrecked in 8-1994 on #49 Lake Shore Limited at Batavia, NY. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

Pacific Hills to #1421 (1969) to Amtrak #2615 to HEP #2915 (1977). Wrecked on 7-6-1984 on #60 Montrealer at Williston, VT, and subsequently scrapped later that year.

Pacific Home to #1422 (1970) to Amtrak #2616 to HEP #2885 (1979). Stored in 1995. Current status unknown.

Pacific Island to #1423 (1969) to Amtrak #2617 to HEP #2917 (1977). Retired and sold in 2001 to the Sleeper Line, resold (when??) to Dominion Rail Voyages and renamed Mount Vernon (#800708).

Pacific Light to #1424 (not applied) to MILW #37 (1969) sold to SCD (1971). Does anyone know what number and name this car carried in Mexico??

Pacific Lodge to #1425 (1970) to Amtrak #2618 to HEP #2439 (1980). Retired and sold in 1996 to Ringling Brothers as RBBX #41408.

Pacific Meadow to #1426 (1970) to Amtrak #2619 to HEP #2435 (1980). Retired in 2002. Current status unknown.

Pacific Mist to #1427 (1969) to Amtrak #2620 to HEP #2920 (1977) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2520 (1998). Retired in 2003. Current status unknown.

Pacific Northwest to #1428 (1970) to Amtrak #2621 to HEP #2893 (1980) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2507 (1998). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Ocean to #1429 (1969) to Amtrak #2622 to HEP #2437 (1980). Retired and sold in 2001 to ITAX and noted as parts source. Current status unknown.

Pacific Park to #1430 (1970) to Amtrak #2623 to HEP #2923 (1977) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2511 (1998). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Patrol (1st) to #1431 (1969) to Amtrak #2624 to HEP #2924 (1978) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2510 (1998). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Peak to #1432 (1969) to Amtrak #2625 to HEP #2887 (1979). Retired and sold in 1995 to IRM.

Pacific Plateau to #1433 (1970) to Amtrak #2626 to HEP #2434 (1980). Stored in 2001 and later sold (when??) to ITAX. Resold (when??) to STI-Global, converted in 2011 to rail analyzer car, renamed Michael D. Harding, and leased to BNSF.

Pacific Range to #1434 (1969) to Amtrak #2627 to HEP #2883 and renamed Pacific Sunset (2nd) (1979). Retired and sold in 1995 to private ownership #800698.

Pacific Rest to #1435 (1969) to Amtrak #2628 to HEP #2894 (1980). Retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

Pacific Ridge to #1436 (1969) to Amtrak #2629. Wrecked in 1979 and subsequently scrapped in 1980.

Pacific Sands to #1437 (1970) to Amtrak #2630 to HEP #2881 (1979). Retired and sold in 1995 to private ownership, later resold (when??) to Pullman Adventures-LA Rail #800355.

Pacific Scene to #1438 (1969) to Amtrak #2631 to HEP #2886 (1979). Stored in 1997 and sold in 2001 to Silver Star Enterprises, converted in 2012 to buffet sleeper solarium lounge observation (2RM-4DB) and renamed Silver Star. Based at the Arizona Railway Museum. Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number for this car??

Pacific Shore to #1439 (1970) to Amtrak #2632 to HEP #2932 (1978). Retired in 2001. Current status unknown.

Pacific Skies to #1440 (1969) to Amtrak #2633 to HEP #2933 (1977) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2517 (1998). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Slope to #1441 (1969) to Amtrak #2634 to HEP #2884 (1979) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2508 (1998). Wrecked in 2003 and sold in 2006 to MRLX. Current status unknown.

Pacific Spray to #1442 (1970) to Amtrak #2635 to HEP #2888 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Monad. Current status unknown.

Pacific Sunset (1st) to #1443 (1970) to Amtrak #2636. Wrecked in 9-1975 and subsequently scrapped later that year.

Pacific Terrace to #1444 (1970) to Amtrak #2637 to HEP #2889 (1980) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2509 (1998). Retired in 2007, reactivated in 2008 as #10405 for use as buffer car during dead-head moves of cars between Chicago and the Beech Grove Shops.

Pacific Trail to #1445 (1970) to Amtrak #2638 to HEP #2882 (1979). Retired and sold in 1996 to Ringling Brothers as RBBX #41407.

Pacific Union to #1446 (1970) to Amtrak #2639 to HEP #2890 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to American Rail Excursions #800640.

Pacific View to #1447 (1969) to Amtrak #2640 to HEP #2940 (1978) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2502 (1997). Retired and sold in 2003 to MRLX and acquired (when??) by Chris Edwards-Batavia & Ohio Railway Services.

Pacific Waters to #1448 (1970) to Amtrak #2641 to HEP #2941 (1977) reconfigured to crew dormitory-lounge #2513 (1997). Stored in 2006. Current status unknown.

Pacific Waves to #1449 (1970) to Amtrak #2642 to HEP #2432 (1980). Stored in 2001 and later sold (when??) to ITAX. Current status unknown.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)

3. Don Strack's UP passenger car roster pages at: http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:25 am 

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Some earlier history notes;

Car Pacific Empire was involved in the rear ending of the Train 104 "City of Los Angeles" by Train 102 "City of San Francisco" at Wyuta, Wyoming (near the Wyoming-Utah border west of Evanston) on November 12, 1951. The car was destroyed.

[The rear-end car that was also destroyed was NYC Royal Crest a Plan 4162 5DBR-buffet-lounge observation.]

The sale of cars to the Milwaukee Road was probably to provide for mileage equalization after the end of the Pullman Company operation of the sleeping cars.

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 3:20 am 
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Thanks, Brian, for the info!

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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Do you have a place where these fleet rosters and car whereabouts can be viewed?


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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:08 pm 
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REA--

For everything Union Pacific, Don Strack's Utah Rails website is a great resource, not only for passenger cars but also for steam and diesel motive power rosters.

http://utahrails.net/index.php

Don's UP passenger car roster pages, which cover both heavyweights and lightweights, can be found here:

http://utahrails.net/pass/pass-index.php

Specifically, information on the Pacific-Series 10-6 sleepers is located on this page:

http://utahrails.net/pass/named-lightweight-sleepers.php

Don also has pages on other railroads which operated/operate in Utah, including SP, WP, D&RGW, and the Utah Railway.

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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OK, I saw you were trying to gather current info on other groups of cars too like the Congo coaches and the cars Iowa Pacific has. It looks like somewhat of a project.


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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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Information on Pacific Home is at http://www.pacifichomerail.com/car-history

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Thanks, Frank, for the Pacific Home link!

rea_reefwagon wrote:
OK, I saw you were trying to gather current info on other groups of cars too like the Congo coaches and the cars Iowa Pacific has. It looks like somewhat of a project.


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Yes, it is a large-scale project. It started out small, but over the last few years it has really snowballed. The knowledgeable members of RYPN have proven to be an invaluable resource.

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2014 9:59 pm 
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Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of the Pacific Home?

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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I currently own "Pacific Waves" and store it in Northern California. The "Pacific Waves" was the last "Pacific" series delivered by Budd and interestingly was the last "Pacific" in revenue service between origin city Chicago and end point Los Angeles on the last "City of Los Angeles".

"Pacific Range" was on the same last pre-Amtrak train 103 as the non-revenue dormitory car, along with other "Pacifics" destined for either Portland, San Francisco and from Kansas City to LAUPT.

The original "Pacific Sunset" was scrapped at Topeka, KS after being wrecked in a derailment on the Santa Fe near Emporia, KS in 1974. The car rolled over down an embankment at nearly 79 mph, along with a former Sunset Limited 10-6, after the Southwest Chief went over a broken rail. Both cars were scrapped in Topeka.


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I'm fairly certain that Pacific Home was assigned to Washington, DC in the late '80's/early '90's, working the Capitol Ltd. and Montrealer. I remember that name on at least one of those trains in that era when I was working OBS there. I worked both of those trains in the late '80's at various times, so I'm not sure which train I saw it on. It might also have been assigned to Florida service as well at some point.


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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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Thanks, VistaDome, for the info on Pacific Waves, Pacific Range, and Pacific Sunset!

Thanks, Paul, for the info on Pacific Home!

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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Here are some more dispositions you may want to look into:

Pacific Beach reported to be at the Mississippi Fire Center

Pacific Light wrecked Kootenai, December 16, 1971, scrapped?

Pacific Meadow reported to be at the Mississippi Fire Center

Pacific Northwest reported to be Amtrak buffer car 10405

Pacific Rest stripped down to shell by owner for parts and the shell was possibly sold to Iowa Pacific

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Thanks, Hubert, for the info!

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 Post subject: Re: UP Pacific Series 10-6 Sleepers
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Allow me please to muddy up the waters regarding Pacific Slope, mentioned above.

I have a photograph, attached below, taken 11-8-08 in Temple, Texas, of ex AMTK Dorm-lounge 2508, now MRLX 2508 on the rear of a southbound BNSF train. It wears the name Pine Cavern, but is definately not the ex ATSF Budd of the same name. To me, it's obviously a Pacific series 10-6 Budd, I believe it to be ex AMTK 2508 Pacific Slope

That may be part of the reason there are so many unknowns on the list- Amtrak went around swapping names.

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