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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:41 pm 

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I think you need to be more specific if you want an answer to that question......

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:59 pm 

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So someone pointed me to this old Ebay link for a slide. Is it just me, or does that subject look disturbingly like the engine in Groveport?

I've also come across the question from someone as to whether the engine in Groveport is a lap seam boiler or not. He seems to think that it's a butt strap if the rivet patterns are any indication in the FB Marketplace pictures, but I'm not going to pretend I know what I'm looking to make that determination. Could the conventional assessment be wrong, or is there some documentation backing that up the lap seam design of that boiler?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HOLLY-HILL-LUM ... 7675.l2557

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:32 am 

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The boiler looks like a single butt strap. Better than a lap seam but not a double butt strap. Of course a UT inspection of the boiler would be the first step because the thickness of the thinnest part of the steel and the type of joint determines the safe working pressure.
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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:42 am 

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Ok, the other barn, one is steam the other gas or diesel. here is the video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2GiPsZkIYO0&t=5s
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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:41 am 

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Mikechoochoo wrote:
There was a you tube video of two narrow gauge 0-4-0s in a run down, falling down shed or barn. Do any of you know anything about those two?
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There are also two 0-4-0T's (701 & 704) in Tracy City, Tennessee. They can be found on http://www.steamlocomotive.com or http://www.steamlocomotive.info


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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:21 pm 

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Mikechoochoo wrote:
The boiler looks like a single butt strap. Better than a lap seam but not a double butt strap. Of course a UT inspection of the boiler would be the first step because the thickness of the thinnest part of the steel and the type of joint determines the safe working pressure.
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Holly Hill wore their equipment pretty well out before they shut down. A boiler with a reinforced lap seam isn't unusable provided it is in good condition, but I'd be about as concerned about the work that the running gear might need before getting too excited about boilers. If memory serves, it's got a steam jam on the drivers as its only brake as well. Glover locomotives were built simply so that a blacksmith in the woods could keep them going, but not as robustly as some of the larger builders in terms of dimension, reinforcement, etc. It didn't operate at Six Gun Territory, just sat out front as a signpost with the other Holly Hill locomotive, a Baldwin 2-4-2.

I'd go after the shed engines as potential operators first. Or, you might find enough remaining Glover patterns in Kennesaw to reconstruct one new with a welded boiler if you want a running Glover clone. The pattern sheds were triaged in a hurry when demolition was announced with a short fuse in an ice storm (yes, Atlanta gets them occasionally) with half the roof of the foundry removed so not everything that would have been nice to save actually got saved - Dick Hillman and I set a huge number aside, but the City of Marietta water dept didn't manage to move them all. Of greater historic loss, the paper records going back to the beginning of the company were shoved in file cabinets out the window of the second story of the lab building into a dumpster.

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:16 pm 

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Maybe off topic but there should be a running list Wiki style of the "most at risk locomotives", with this list being passed around annually to RR museums etc


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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:35 pm 

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Interesting idea, but that would require people to cooperate and share information freely, so unlikely to happen.

I think the only thing this one is in danger of is being overpriced by people who are unfortunately impressed by the ability to limp along on compressed air for a short time.

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 Post subject: Re: Locomotive in barn at Groveport , Ohio
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:15 pm 

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misterwandle wrote:
The bobber caboose is the real deal, although with some wreck (?) damage and wood rot to both platforms and wood rot on the roof and other places. The cupola is missing from the bobber's body, with a big, square hole in the roof where it used to be attached. (Who knows--it might be stored someplace inside that barn.) This caboose sits on 4 cast iron pedestals that have the raised initials "L.&.N.E." cast into them.


From the photos on the classifieds at http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=44620 the car seems to be a fit for a L&NE bobber. This thread has some information on L&NE bobbers: http://rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=33893&sid=3106d6beac7ab1bfa67f3e87abac23a2

Here are additional historic photos of an L&NE bobber and one restored on the Wanamaker Kempton and Southern Railroad https://www.jeff-z.com/wks/cabfrtroster/512/512.html

It would be interesting to know if this car lost its cupola during or after its time on the L&NE.


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