Is this it? Note the GE center-cab switcher rusting south of it: http://goo.gl/maps/zULtY

Could very well be it just past those boxcars.

[quote="ctjacks"]I confused 829 with 832 regarding which was renovated by Bluewater.
You can see Jackie Robinson get onto the 832 in the movie "42". [/quote

Wasn't that scene filmed at TVRM?

Also, when RLHS was in Birmingham, Ala they were filming some scenes at the old minor league stadium, there... some at the old Iron Bowl football stadium (which has been cut down quite a bit), some on the streets near the hotel we stayed at, and some at the hotel (though not while we were there)

Bob H

The Google pic is accurate, and the 710 was still in Fletcher as of 7/11/2013. I crawled around inside it and it is still very much intact. The manager of the trucking company where it was stored told me that it, the 50' Southern Rwy boxcars, and the rusting hulk of the Smoky Mtn RR 44-tonner had all be recently sold to someone in the Knoxville area.

I can't find photos I took on my hard drive (dammit), but friend me on Facebook and you can see a lot of the photos I did take that day.

Matt Bumgarner

Thanks to Tim Andrews, John Winkler, Steve Syfrett, Hayneshopcat, Gary Gray, ETA, David Wilkens, sou2404, SR6900, ctjacks, ADM IV, Bob Heavenrich, and Matt Bumgarner for all the responses, for posting all the information, and for posting links to additional resources on Southern passenger cars!

Of the 218 cars listed, there are only 37 whose current whereabouts or final dispositions remain a mystery. Here's the list of mystery cars (only 17% of the whole roster), listed by ownership:

SOU:

1. 10RM-6DB sleeper #2007 "Otter River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2815. Retired 7/1981 and sold to Anbel in 1982. To Mexico or scrapped? Disposition?

2. 10RM-6DB sleeper #2009 "Potomac River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2816. Retired 7/1981 and sold to Anbel in 1982. To NdeM as #745 "Nogales". Disposition?

3. 10RM-6DB sleeper #2012 "Saluda River" to Amtrak 1979 as #2855. Put up for sale in 4/1983. Disposition?

4. Coach #816* to Amtrak 1979 as #5278 to Alaska 1981 as #5200 to Denver Railcar 1989 as #5200 "Silver Aspen" to Grand Canyon RY at auction. Used as parts source for #5205 (#822). Can anyone confirm that GCRY scrapped the #816, or is it still at Williams?

5. Coach #820* to Amtrak 1979 as #5281 to Alaska 1981 as #5203 to Denver Railcar 1989 as #5203 "Silver Pecan" to Grand Canyon RY at auction?? Can anyone confirm that GCRY purchased the #820?? Current whereabouts?

6. Coach #821* to Amtrak 1979 as #5282 to Alaska 1981 as #5204 to Denver Railcar 1989 as #5204 "Silver Spruce" to Grand Canyon RY at auction?? Can anyone confirm that GCRY purchased the #821?? Current whereabouts?

*According to Hayneshopcat, the #816, #820, #821, and #822 were all purchased at the Denver Railcar auction by the same bidder. #822 (#5205) is in operation on the GCRY, and #816 (#5200) was used as a parts source. Did GCRY purchase the #822 and #816 from the bidder, or were they the bidder? If they did purchase the #816 and #822 from the bidder, then what happened to the #820 and #821??

7. Coach #823 to Amtrak 1979 as #5284. Sold 3/1984 to restaurant (where?). For sale on Illinois Transit Assembly website several years back (before the name change to Gateway). Current whereabouts? Scrapped?

8. Diner #3300 "Virginia"
9. Diner #3301 "Virginia"
10. Diner #3302 "Virginia"
11. Diner #3303 "Chattanooga"

CofG:

12. Baggage #453
13. Baggage #454
14. Baggage #455
15. Baggage #456
16. Baggage #457

17. Baggage-RPO #473
18. Baggage-RPO #474

FEC:

19. 10RM-6DB sleeper "Brazil" to CN 1966 as #2133 "Ecum Secum River" to VIA #2133 (same name) to private owner "Ecum Secum River". Amtrak registration #800008. Current whereabouts?

20. 10RM-6DB sleeper "Chile" to CN 1966 as #2134 "Nashweak River" to VIA #2134. Disposition?

21. 10RM-6DB sleeper "Guatemala" to CN 1966 as #2130 "Terra Nova River" to VIA #2130. Disposition?

22. 10RM-6DB sleeper "Venezuela" to CN 1966 as #2132 "Moose River" to VIA #2132. Disposition?

23. Diner "South Bay"

L&N:

24. 10RM-6DB sleeper #3400 "Mobile River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2810. Retired at unknown date and stored at Beech Grove shops. Retirement date listed as 6/2005! Sold or scrapped? Disposition?

25. 10RM-6DB sleeper #3410 "Green River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2812. Retired 1979. To NdeM (via Anbel??) as #737 "Dormitorio America". Disposition?

26. 10RM-6DB sleeper #3412 "Barren River". Disposition?

27. Baggage dormitory #1598
28. Baggage dormitory #1599

PRR:

29. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8353 "Delaware River" to PC #4360 to Amtrak 1971 as #2709. Retired 9/1975. Sold or scrapped? Disposition?

30. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8354 "Middle River" to PC #4374 to Amtrak 1971 as #2797. Sold 1/1984 to unknown party. Disposition?

31. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8352 "Bush River"
32. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8355 "Patapsco River"
33. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8357 "Schuylkill River"
34. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8358 "Susquehanna River"
35. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8356 "Raritan River"

36. 56 seat coach #4030 "New York"
37. 56 seat coach #4031 "New Jersey"

The 823 became part of a restaurant in Fort Wayne. We have some of the parts from that car. The restaurant is defunct. Not sure if the car finally went to scrap but it was off its trucks and sitting on the ground.

L&N 1598 and 1599 went to Habco and I think were subsequently scrapped.

ETA

Another tidbit has crawled out of my ancient memory banks. IIRC, Combine 705 "Bedford" was at Spencer for a while. I haven't seen it in any of my recent visits, and was told that it bit the dust a few years back due to the usual PS side sheet rot. I wish that car had survived, I grew up in the town it was named after.

2. 10RM-6DB sleeper #2009 "Potomac River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2816. Retired 7/1981 and sold to Anbel in 1982. To NdeM as #745 "Nogales". Disposition?

The Mexican Pullman Company, in later years, was know as SCD or Servicio Coaches Dormitorio. These cars that went to Mexico all had "SCD" in front of the name and number on their number plates up until retirement circa early 1990's. Most cars in Mexico were scrapped, with a select few surviving in museums, Company service, etc. There is no known list of surviving passenger cars in Mexico.


24. 10RM-6DB sleeper #3400 "Mobile River" to Amtrak 1971 as #2810. Retired at unknown date and stored at Beech Grove shops. Retirement date listed as 6/2005! Sold or scrapped? Disposition?

I don't know where that retirement date came from but that is clearly an error. That car would have been retired circa 1978 .



30. 10RM-6DB sleeper #8354 "Middle River" to PC #4374 to Amtrak 1971 as #2797. Sold 1/1984 to unknown party. Disposition?

This car was retired and sold out of New Orleans. It was sold to Rail Sea Cruises and the recently rebuilt trucks were used under former NYC Budd diner 448. The carbody of the Middle River was scrapped.

7. SOU #2001 "Altamaha River" to Amtrak in 1971 as #2814. To Nippert-Gator. To private owner in Los Angeles. Anyone know the current location?

This car is one of many that survived a harrowing retirement stored in the notorious Old Mexico yard in Los Angeles, after serving for a number of years as one of the 10-6 sleepers assigned to NY-LA transcontinetal thru sleeper service on Amtrak. It has been listed as sold to Al Knippert but not sure that he ever took possesion. Car sold to Rod Basich, who later sold it to Bill Hatrick. The car has been stored in the LA area all this time, sometimes used as a parts source, and sometimes appearing in exterior scenes of movies filmed in and around the LA area. The car still exists and is stored in Anaheim, CA.

Thanks, Topfuel, for the info!

Rainier Rails,
Regarding two of the Central of Georgia baggage cars constructed in 1945 by AC&F in Lot #2727:

CofGa 455:
The CofGa baggage 455 is/was in the collection of the Louisiana Railroad Heritage Trust in New Orleans (Kenner, LA), and was listed for sale several years ago. I photographed it there during my August 2002 visit to inspect SR 2005 Flint River. I suspect it has been scrapped by now unless they are using it for storage, but it was in pretty rough condition in 2002.

CofGa 458:, or is it 456, or maybe 452??? Be sure to read the edit below!!!
CofGa 458, the white-painted American Red Cross baggage car seen in the previously linked photo of it in Savannah, (possibly) fairly early on became part of the New Georgia Railroad fleet, but to my knowledge it was never used for anything. I have a photo of it pushed all the way back down the farthest storage track in about late 1986 coupled to the L&N 1966 tender which was already on the property. I do not know what happened to it, but I don't recall it being on the Pullman Shops property the day of the auction.

Now, that said, one resource I have states that it was the 456(2nd) that was painted white and served as the Savannah Chapter - American Red Cross blood donation car. (Note: baggage 456(1st) was a 1909 Pullman product). The same source states that 458, delivered in the blue/gray Nancy Hanks scheme, was repainted aluminum for use with the Man 'O War trainset. I did not document the car number of the New Georgia car, and the Red Cross paint scheme is different from that shown in the photo posted a few days ago, but it is from the same side. So, unless I have some notes hidden somewhere, I don't know that we will be able to resolve the 456/458 quandary. I will keep looking...

Lastly, the Central of Georgia Railway Society is interested in finding out if a recent report of one of these CofGa baggage cars being in the collection of the California State Railroad Museum is correct or not. Any information in this regard would be appreciated. It is supposedly out in the "back lot."

I'm editing the original posting to keep all this together.

It keeps getting better and better...
I found an equipment data sheet from the Georgia Building Authority showing a revision date of 4-1-86 (no April Fools jokes, please!) that includes all of the New Georgia passenger equipment on hand as of that date. It indicates the baggage car was number 452, not 456 or 458. It does not indicate any other identification such as being former CofGa, but then, none of the "Old Number" identifications have a road name associated with it, just the "old number" and some mechanical details. To even have anything written down about this car would seem to indicate that the number "452" was found somewhere on the car, so I would have to believe it was, in fact, the 452 that was part of the New Georgia Railroad fleet. This would also mean that there was more than one CofGa baggage car that was painted white for use by the Savannah Chapter-American Red Cross, since there is photographic evidence of 458 and 452, plus a published reference to 456.

The "42" train consisted of SR 832, 'Clinchfield 500', RF&P 857, and BMCX 6604. The 6604 is primarily the car seen in the scenes and there was some interior filming which was cut from the movie (a card game). There most definitely was not any interior filming in the #832 as the interior is stripped. That didn't stop film crews from setting up dummy torsos on boxes so there would be heads in windows. They took a liking to the SR emblem on #832 and suddenly all four cars were lettered and logo'ed for the Southern. If you look closely you'll notice that the SR emblem in Chadwick Boseman's ball-tossing scene is actually applied next to the vestibule on former RF&P 857.

(edited...I had the line up incorrectly ordered...hey, they're all silver!)

Steve--

Okay, now I'm confused. The roster info I had on the CofG listed six lightweight baggage cars constructed in 1945 by AC&F in Lot #2727, with numbers #453-#458. Was there also a #452 in this Lot, or was it built at another time? I missed it somehow, so any info on this #452 would be welcome.

Regarding the roster you have of the New Georgia circa 1986, I am currently preparing to start a new thread on passenger cars owned by New Georgia and by Al Nippert, and I'll be ready to post it sometime tomorrow.

Thanks again,

Rainier Rails,
Of course you are 100% correct...that's what I get for winging it and not checking more thoroughly. The CofGa series was 453-458. Car 452 was built by Bethlehem Steel Co. Lot No. DG-1029, in 1937. Either the New Georgia mechanical sheet ID is incorrect or the car they got was not one of the NHII LW baggage cars. Will check this afternoon, and sorry about the confusion!

Edited 9/15/13 for additional info:

Ok, I did some checking of mechanical data. Short version, it looks like the New Georgia Railroad identification as 452 was incorrect, but the true identity is still uncertain either way.

While CofGa 452 is very similar in outward appearance to the ACF CofGa 453-458 group, one mechanical difference stands out. Car 452 was retired with 5 1/2 x 10" journal bearings while the six ACF baggage cars were built with 6 x 11" journal bearings.

Car 452 is slightly longer at 74' 3 3/8" while the ACF cars are 73' 7" over buffers, but they are identical at 70' 9" over end posts. Truck center to center is also identical at 54 ' 9". The doors are the same size, but there is one significant difference in the door placement. On 453-458 the wide doors are directly opposite each other as are the narrower doors, so viewed from one side the wide door is on the left and the narrow door is on the right, while viewed from the opposite side of the car the narrow door is on the left and the wide door is on the right.

On 452, however, the wide doors are diagonally opposite such that the car appears the same from both sides. I have only one photo of the New Georgia car so I cannot use the doors to rule out the possibility of it being 452.

One visual clue that it is not 452 is based on the CofGa equipment diagram for that particular car, which shows some vertical batten strips where none exist on the New Georgia car. This, combined with the fact that the reported journal size matches the ACF cars (6 x 11") and not 452 (5 1/2 x 10") leads to the conclusion that the New Georgia's identification of this car as No. 452 is incorrect.

So the original question remains: was the New Georgia ex-CofGa baggage car the 458 that had been repainted between the 1970 photo posted earlier and how it appeared when I photographed it in 1986, or is it perhaps the 456, or even another car from the series? Unfortunately I do not have the information to resolve this...