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 Post subject: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2025 2:41 pm 

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https://www.sungazette.com/news/top-new ... lroad-car/

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Williamsport City Council has approved an advertisement for the sale of a Pullman sleeper/lounger railroad car that is behind the Bureau of Police patrol division at the former Peter Herdic Transportation Museum at Nichols Place.

The resolution on the sale of the city property was presented by Mayor Derek Slaughter and it is not the sale of the railroad car, he said, but rather the advertisement or notification of sale.

The advertisement will be up for 10 days as people can submit their bids for the rail car. A city solicitor had recommended this was the best way of completing this business with the rail car that has been at the location for quite some time. The River Valley Transit Authority documentation obtained by the Sun-Gazette upon request noted it was put there in 2005.

In fact, the car was the first major exhibit of what was then going to be the future Peter Herdic Transportation Museum. It made a dramatic entrance to the museum site on Sept.1, 2005.

The exhibit, a Pullman sleeper/lounger was manufactured in 1949.

Originally numbered 8416, it was that year considered to be one of two remaining Pullman sleepers in the country.

It was originally located at the Newberry Yard and was transferred by Allison Crane and Rigging Co., a move that took roughly four hours.

After World War II, the shortage of restricted materials ended and the production of post-war replacement rail cars began in 1946. In that same year, the Pennsylvania Railroad ordered eight, three-bedroom, one-drawing room bar/lounge cars.

Built in May and June 1949, these eight cars were named in the “Colonial” series and used in general service as mid-train lounge cars.

Pullman completed Pennsylvania Railroad car 8416 named “Colonial Houses,” a class P513L lightweight sleeper/lounge, on June 11, 1949.

In August 1955, the car was renamed “The Nicholas Firestone” and remained in service with the Pennsylvania Railroad until May 1964 when it was transferred to the Penn Central Railroad, reclassified as a “parlor” car and renumbered 7153. It remained with Penn Central until 1971. At one time, this rail car serviced the area.

The City of Williamsport and former River Valley Transit, before it was an authority and known as City Bus, acquired this rail car from Jeff Pontius, who then went into the process of refurbishing the exterior of the car as part of the transportation museum and trolley hub project.


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As noted, car is in the 1949 PRR Colonial 3DBR/1DR/buffet-lounge series, of which eight were built. Sister car Colonial Crafts is in PV service, recently sold to new owners and currently on the Strasburg RR as a premium-service car for the Santa season.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2025 3:41 pm 

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If anyone's asking what happened to the former "transportation museum" located there, it's something of a local scandal--read down into this article:

https://www.northcentralpa.com/news/wil ... 87b84.html

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The building was formerly home to the Peter Herdic Transportation Museum. According to Lycoming County real estate records, the City of Williamsport bought the building May 15, 2003 for $390,000, and again for $1 in 2008 after the museum's grand opening.

The museum at one time had a fully restored 1949 Pullman Railcar on display, according to the now defunct museum website. Visitors were charged $5 to tour the museum ($4 for seniors and $3 for children) and could also buy a combination ticket for a trolley ride.

The City was forced to close the museum because it had allegedly been financed by River Valley Transit (RVT) using federal transit dollars.

"They were not permitted to use state and federal transit dollars to operate a museum," according to Williamsport Mayor Derek Slaughter, who said the city received a letter earlier this summer from PennDOT and the Federal Transit Authority requiring the museum to close.

An audit of RVT by RKL, the accounting and business consulting firm hired to perform an audit on River Valley Transit financials from July 1, 2019 through June 30, 2020, revealed numerous "inconsistencies" in spending.

"We found numbers we can't quite get comfortable with," said RKL's Mark Zettlemoyer in a presentation to the city's finance committee in October.

"When we look at capital assets, RVT was buying numerous capital assets and they appeared to be using funds that weren't transit-related," Zettlemoyer said.

Slaughter indicated this may have been one such expenditure.

"Most of the items on display were on loan from the Taber museum," said Slaughter. "The City did put some of it up for bid."

Questions still remain as to where all of the items were relocated.


Sounds like a heck of a lot of ISTEA and TEA-21 projects back in that time frame.......


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2025 7:39 pm 

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That would look great behind 1361 or the T1.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2025 8:41 pm 

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Information on the bidding process can be found here:

https://cityofwilliamsport.org/news/doc ... -property/

Go to the second page. Bids due by January 8th.

In researching this car, I found a quagmire of controversy and corruption involving the "museum" in question............... the story coming to your local railfan magazine shortly..............


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 3:26 pm 

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There appears to be a partly uncovered streetcar in street view. There are no signs of tracks, where did it run?


Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
If anyone's asking what happened to the former "transportation museum" located there, it's something of a local scandal--read down into this article:

https://www.northcentralpa.com/news/wil ... 87b84.html

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The building was formerly home to the Peter Herdic Transportation Museum. According to Lycoming County real estate records, the City of Williamsport bought the building May 15, 2003 for $390,000, and again for $1 in 2008 after the museum's grand opening.

The museum at one time had a fully restored 1949 Pullman Railcar on display, according to the now defunct museum website. Visitors were charged $5 to tour the museum ($4 for seniors and $3 for children) and could also buy a combination ticket for a trolley ride.

The City was forced to close the museum because it had allegedly been financed by River Valley Transit (RVT) using federal transit dollars.

"They were not permitted to use state and federal transit dollars to operate a museum," according to Williamsport Mayor Derek Slaughter, who said the city received a letter earlier this summer from PennDOT and the Federal Transit Authority requiring the museum to close.

An audit of RVT by RKL, the accounting and business consulting firm hired to perform an audit on River Valley Transit financials from July 1, 2019 through June 30, 2020, revealed numerous "inconsistencies" in spending.

"We found numbers we can't quite get comfortable with," said RKL's Mark Zettlemoyer in a presentation to the city's finance committee in October.

"When we look at capital assets, RVT was buying numerous capital assets and they appeared to be using funds that weren't transit-related," Zettlemoyer said.

Slaughter indicated this may have been one such expenditure.

"Most of the items on display were on loan from the Taber museum," said Slaughter. "The City did put some of it up for bid."

Questions still remain as to where all of the items were relocated.


Sounds like a heck of a lot of ISTEA and TEA-21 projects back in that time frame.......


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2025 6:45 pm 

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There appears to be a partly uncovered streetcar in street view. There are no signs of tracks, where did it run?


I have no idea what you're looking at. The PRR car had a sheltered station-style platform built alongside it for viewing and access (and apparently additional event space); the River Valley Transit also engaged in operating tourist "trolley bus" people-movers offering tours of downtown Williamsport, with joint ticketing at/through the museum.

As it turns out, the car was put down on the (now thoroughly obliterated) former PRR right-of-way through downtown, running east from Newberry Yard (which was NYC/Reading), and now the site of the Student Station Apartments, the museum park, and Little League Boulevard.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2025 12:31 pm 

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A May 5, 2025 Press Release from the US Department of Transportation Office of Inspector General:
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May 5, 2025
Former Williamsport City Finance Director Pleads Guilty and Is Sentenced for Misusing Funds and Tampering With Public Records

On May 5, 2025, in the Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas of Dauphin County, William “Bill” Nichols, Jr., pleaded guilty to one felony count of theft by failure to make required disposition of funds received and one felony count of tampering with public records. The court sentenced Nichols to 1 year of probation. Until his termination in January 2020, Nichols served as the City of Williamsport Finance Director and the General Manager for the Williamsport Bureau of Transportation, doing business as River Valley Transit. The investigation did not indicate that Nichols used any money for personal benefit or purchases.

According to the criminal complaint and State grand jury presentment, from 2012 to 2020, Nichols misused over $500,000 in city, State, and Federal funds. Nichols knew the funds had to be used for transit purposes but instead used them on unauthorized, non-transit expenses, projects, and payments. Nichols then provided false information on required grant expense reporting records to hide the unlawful use.

On April 11, 2025, the City of Williamsport and the Federal Transit Administration agreed to repayment of $1,483,707 in Federal grant funds that Nichols used on non-transit-related expenses and for lack of appropriate documentation to show how certain expenses were calculated and spent.

DOT-OIG conducted this investigation with the Pennsylvania Attorney General's Bureau of Criminal Investigations with substantial assistance from FTA.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR Sleeper-Lounge Up For Bids in Williamsport, Pa.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 2:42 am 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
scratchyX1 wrote:
There appears to be a partly uncovered streetcar in street view. There are no signs of tracks, where did it run?


I have no idea what you're looking at. The PRR car had a sheltered station-style platform built alongside it for viewing and access (and apparently additional event space); the River Valley Transit also engaged in operating tourist "trolley bus" people-movers offering tours of downtown Williamsport, with joint ticketing at/through the museum.

As it turns out, the car was put down on the (now thoroughly obliterated) former PRR right-of-way through downtown, running east from Newberry Yard (which was NYC/Reading), and now the site of the Student Station Apartments, the museum park, and Little League Boulevard.


This Google Street view seems to show a streetcar shaped object covered in white tarps:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/2c68FmnCGo5wj4nf9

My son goes to college in Williamsport and I did drive past the building in the summer and saw the PRR passenger car in the back. Maybe I can send him on assignment to get some pictures when he returns after the holiday break.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 3:13 pm 

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The shape of the tarped object visible in the Google Streetview image resembles the Jersey Shore Electric Railway car that was discussed on this Board about a year ago.

/s/ Larry


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 4:10 pm 

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Larry Lovejoy wrote:
The shape of the tarped object visible in the Google Streetview image resembles the Jersey Shore Electric Railway car that was discussed on this Board about a year ago.

/s/ Larry

From a Facebook post dated December 13, 2025.

This is Car #14 of the Jersey Shore Railway Line.

In May of 2021 the Jersey Shore Historical Society shared:

"A piece of Jersey Shore history is coming home.
Trolley Car Number 14 will be coming home after 100 years.
The Jersey Shore Electric Railway Company was chartered in 1901 and thus began the trolley era in Jersey Shore.

The last trolley car ran through Jersey Shore in 1929.
The cars were sold and car Number 14, like many former cars, ended up as a hunting camp near Jersey Shore.

In 2011 the car was placed in the yard at the Peter Herdic Transportation Museum in Williamsport, and has been there ever since.
Recently we were contacted by Skip Cochran of the River Valley Transit Authority and asked if we were interested in the trolley. He provided a photo and we compared it with our trolley photo collection and realized it was #14.

On April 29,2021 the Williamsport City Council agreed to donate the trolley to The Jersey Shore Historical Society and our Board of Directors of the society accepted the donation.
The car needs a lot of restoration and we know that it will take time, money, crafts people and dedicated volunteers to restore #14. We feel it is worth it..."

The goal was to have he car restored in time for the 2026 Bicentennial.

In February of 2024 the Society announced that they, regrettably, had to abandon the trolley restoration project. Repairs to the Historical Society Museum were needed, and had to take priority. At that time, they also said that River Valley Transit Authority requested the trolley be moved by August of 2024.


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