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 Post subject: A Northern (Niagara) Exposure for QJdriver!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:36 am 

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These pics were unashamedly purloined from the 2816 Empress fb site. Great looking loco that the CPR crew "inspected" in Monterrey last year..
As talked about on here before, good mainline locos with reasonable axle loadings for general excursion service -- akin to CNR 6218 or 6060, remembered running on 80-pound rail!


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 Post subject: Re: A Northern (Niagara) Exposure for QJdriver!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 1:09 pm 

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Thanks for posting this Rick !!!! Maybe I'll have to change my RyPN alias to QR-1driver.... After the mob scenes set off by CP #2816, I'd be very surprised if the CPKC gets involved with this locomotive, but I'm always asking for somebody to please prove me wrong in such matters.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 9:54 pm 

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Sammy,
I am taking the liberty of posting your earlier RYPN article here. There are some great images and information. Thank you for doing it.
The more one learns about this class of locomotives, the more one is impressed. It is always interesting how different companies chose the locomotives they did. It would have been a treat to have sat in on the engineering meetings when they were determining the locomotive needs and the designs to accomplish those needs.
https://www.rypn.org/rypn_files/article ... efault.htm


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 1:55 pm 

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Ther REAL shame of the QR-1 saga is the most untimely passing of Dr Richard Steinbrenner just as we were getting ready to put a wrench on the #3029. He not only had access to a couple million greenbacks, but no doubt he could have shed a much brighter light on the development of these engines than I did.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2025 10:29 am 

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You look like the prettiest guy in that bunch, Sammy, except for perhaps the locomotive and that dude in fatigues...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2025 6:57 pm 

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Sorry to say I wasn't there, Pete. I haven't been to Mexico since 2008.

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Sorry to say I wasn't there, Pete. I haven't been to Mexico since 2008.

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Sorry to say I wasn't there, Pete. I haven't been to Mexico since 2008.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2025 2:43 pm 

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I've been curious about this engine for years.
When did it come to the US and for what purpose?
Is there ANY plan to do ANYTHING with her?
Just seems like such a waste of it sitting for years with nothing done.
What's the story?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 5:20 pm 

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Mr 1522,

I'm assuming you mean the #3028 (I hit the wrong key earlier in this thread, my apologies to all).

She was purchased by the ALCO Historical Society back in 1964 or 1965, and exhibited in the former D&H shops for years as an example of an export locomotive. Trains magazine had a broadside of her published at about this time, she sure looked fine, fresh from an overhaul. When she crossed the border at Nuevo Laredo she had half a glass of water, carried 245 PSI of steam, was fully greased and oiled, with a full sandbox, the cab was fully provisioned, and her tender was full. Unfortunately the ICC didn't have any paperwork, so she was towed dead in train to Schenectady.

I can't say for certain what was intended for her, or what her legal status is today, only that somebody has called me every so often for the last 40 years because I'm a notorious Niagaraholic. A few years ago Dr Steinbrenner had access to financial backing, he was going to cover the legal wrangling, and I was going to help however I could. I got copies from the late Tom Irion of a couple dozen 1 1/2" scale drawings, erecting card, running gear, boiler, lots of information, and sent this to the AHTS. That is as far as we got in all these years, and I must agree with you that a 4-8-4 is as terrible thing to waste.

Thank you for your interest....

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