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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:27 am 

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Just a point of order, the former mayor of Kingston blocked the railroad back in 2013. Not the current mayor in office.

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:44 am 

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It's great that everyone is discussing the current situation here and on Facebook, but a phone call complaining about the ouster of the CMRR to the Ulster County Tourism office could be more helpful:

(845) 334-5459

Their Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/UlsterCountyTourism/

And call the Kingston mayor's office:

http://kingston-ny.gov/content/8399/846 ... fault.aspx

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Phone: (845) 334-3902


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:03 am 

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Trainlawyer wrote:
Cameron Wolk wrote:
At this point it couldn't be worth the try taking the county to court again on the count of historical negligence. And when I say court I mean a Supreme Court case this time around. This conflict has grown in my perspective to the point where the federal gov should be involved not as an additional nuisance but as a safeguard to prevent future similar incidents from occurring. It's time to make both Hein and Cuomo accountable for their actions not just on a preservation basis but on grounds of corruption. You have a mayor who is on charges of a felony (parking a truck on active tracks) and an executive who is wasting thousands of taxpayer cash fighting the CMRR on legal means and potentially a paved trail solicited by a bunch of "environmental" lunatics. This is NY State for you gentlemen and I'd ask to please take note of our lovely legislators who know nothing but extortion and a crisp hate for railroading.

Cameron


Cameron,
Would you please give me the specific citations for the allegations I've highlited.
GME


Back in 2013, City of Kingston parked a DPW truck on the tracks to force the railroad to comply with an injunction preventing them from moving some passenger cars into their yard. These were the same cars that the town complained about being left at their former location for so long. CMRR had no intention of violating the injunction, but under orders from the county, the city parked a truck on the tracks, That mayor is no longer in office.

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-new ... -into-city

For some reason the DOT thought they needed to get involved. Really, all you needed was a call to the State Police and a tow truck.

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/article/DF/ ... /304299929

This article has my beautiful cell phone shot:

http://www.watershedpost.com/2013/train ... road-track

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:05 am 

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Regarding FEMA projects:

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The CMRR’s suit also alleges that the county has acted in bad faith with regard to releasing funds for track repairs made necessary by Irene flooding. After the storm struck in 2011, the parties applied for federal funding to make the repairs. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) granted the funds to the county, but no money has been issued to the CMRR since, according to the railroad's complaint in the lawsuit. In a recent news release, the CMRR announced that it had repaired “Campground Curve,” a portion of track wiped out by Irene, by using revenues raised by ticket fares and tourist operations.


http://www.watershedpost.com/2013/catsk ... udge-rules

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:09 am 

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And here's the "gag order" placed into the legal settlement document the railroad was forced to sign...

Attachment:
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Full file is here:

http://ulstercountyny.gov/sites/default ... eement.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:45 am 

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Wow, hadn't seen that part of the agreement and that's nearly unprecedented.

The response on the Ulster Tourism Facebook page appears to be rather overwhelming. Having participated in a couple concerted Facebook posting attacks elsewhere, this appears to be well on the way of fitting that definition.
https://www.facebook.com/UlsterCountyTo ... e_internal

Note that the response posting (Rice) is publicly accusing the railroad of not having the track above Hurley Mt. Road to FRA1. At least as far up as where the North Pole was in December, it most certainly was, and my understanding was that it was inspected by the FRA.

"Risking lives by running beyond Hurley Mt. Road".... Really? I'm having difficulty determining if that's an official viewpoint posting of the Tourism agency or not, one would certainly hope not but in this arena it's hard to tell.

Wow...


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:57 pm 

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t's great that everyone is discussing the current situation here and on Facebook, but a phone call complaining about the ouster of the CMRR to the Ulster County Tourism office could be more helpful:


A little late for that, don't you think? With all the crap that CMRR has had to put up with from the city of Kingston and Ulster County, I think I would have loaded the trucks and pulled out a long time ago. Why try to stay where you are obviously not wanted?


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:05 pm 

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OK I went over there and stirred the pot a little! :) Mr. Rice deserves it.

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:15 pm 

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cool...OK that was dirty politics putting a gag order, somebody is up to something.

But that doesnt limit anybody else talking about it or complaining.


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:21 pm 

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train guy wrote:
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t's great that everyone is discussing the current situation here and on Facebook, but a phone call complaining about the ouster of the CMRR to the Ulster County Tourism office could be more helpful:


A little late for that, don't you think? With all the crap that CMRR has had to put up with from the city of Kingston and Ulster County, I think I would have loaded the trucks and pulled out a long time ago. Why try to stay where you are obviously not wanted?


It's not over.


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:22 pm 

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Randy Gustafson wrote:
Wow, hadn't seen that part of the agreement and that's nearly unprecedented.

The response on the Ulster Tourism Facebook page appears to be rather overwhelming. Having participated in a couple concerted Facebook posting attacks elsewhere, this appears to be well on the way of fitting that definition.
https://www.facebook.com/UlsterCountyTo ... e_internal

Note that the response posting (Rice) is publicly accusing the railroad of not having the track above Hurley Mt. Road to FRA1. At least as far up as where the North Pole was in December, it most certainly was, and my understanding was that it was inspected by the FRA.

"Risking lives by running beyond Hurley Mt. Road".... Really? I'm having difficulty determining if that's an official viewpoint posting of the Tourism agency or not, one would certainly hope not but in this arena it's hard to tell.

Wow...


And the "Reviews" page is now gone. *poof*


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:35 am 

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And the "Reviews" page is now gone. *poof*


They must be in damage control mode because I left a nice long not-so-nice post on their wall, which is also gone as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:58 am 

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A number of things are standing out that didn't come out so strongly before.

One is that this seems to have become a VERY personal matter for the county's chief executive, Mike Hein. Now he's apparently always had an aggressive personality, but this seems to be something that is driving him, indeed almost eating at him. The comments about him spending time, effort, and political capital on this vs. his proposed veterans project say much of this.

The question is, why? What has made this so personal? Did someone insult him or hurt him so grievously? How did that happen?

I can't imagine anyone quite carrying on such a grudge, at least not a reasonable person. . .so maybe this says much about Mr. Hein.

Another thing is that a Facebook "friend" and I, discussing how the legislature could rein in Hein but doesn't want to, said the reason the legislature hasn't done so is that that the members don't want to make waves and undercut the position they themselves drew up in a county organization a few years ago. He said they are probably still hoping this will all go away.

But from what I'm reading, it's not going away. If anything, the situation seems to be escalating, even as the railroad has ceased operations. Take note of the tourism page, which suggests someone is in "damage control" mode.

I've said this before, and it bears repeating again.

I, and I suspect many others here, can remember when a railroad would come out and there would be no protests, no fights, no rallies. Recall that Penn Station had maybe a couple of dozen architects and artists protest its demolition in the early 1960s, and this was in New York City with its millions. Now we've had at least two rallies in Kingston--with probably over 100 people in each one--in a town that isn't even a decimal point in population compared with NYC. The same goes for Saranac Lake in regard to the Adirondack Scenic, and Saranac Lake is quite a bit smaller than Kingston.

I think things are changing in this country. I think there is a generational shift occurring.

It's been brought up in a number of areas that not everybody wants to drive the way people used to do; only a third of teenagers want their licenses by the time they are sixteen, compared with about 50% ten years ago.

I don't think you would have seen these protests and rallies as recently as five years ago.

This is one of those things some of our leaders might want to start considering--but so far they are not.


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:26 pm 

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Good news, I've recently contacted Hein's office and it appears there's a good chance I should be having a little chat with him next week. I can't wait to discuss with the executive the FEMA Funds, former mayor blocking the tracks and etc. Maybe I'll question him on just how within a year he was able to reverse his stance on the railroad and go for trail advocation. The ideas are breathtaking nevertheless I fully understand this might be a one time only chance to speak with the executive especially with the CMRR in the position it's in. Given my current status as a student perhaps Hein will actually listen and understand his opposition lays way beyond his expectations. If there's anything you'd like me to specifically mention in our call please let me know otherwise,

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:18 pm 

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If you do be sure your conversation represents more that just CMRR but there's a whole community for it. If some politician somewhere is taking some opposing stance he is not doing his/her service to the public. We keep hearing about rail/trail controversies here and we all know both can work together instead of ripping the rails out, and the Railroad there still retains potential and should be maintained even for potential freight service. Otherwise have fun with the tourist trains generate fun and tourism dollars, its all plus plus for everybody.


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