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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:59 pm 

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ESRM No. 23 is being moved to the ESRM's carbarn in Phoenicia. This engine is not owned by the CMRR. EH


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:24 am 

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http://www.kingstonx.com/2016/02/15/kin ... d-cleanup/

Kingston mayor fine with pace of railroad yard cleanup
by JESSE J. SMITH on Feb 15, 2016 •

Mayor Steve Noble said this week that he’s satisfied with progress made by the Catskill Mountain Railroad in cleaning up their Cornell Street rail yard and he has no plans to take further enforcement action at the site.

Noble added he had no problem with waiting until May, when the CMRR’s lease with Ulster County expires and the stretch of track between the Cornell Street and Kingston Plaza is demolished to make way for a walking and biking trail. Noble’s remarks come as the railroad is facing a court-mandated Feb. 10 deadline to clear debris and remove all items not related to their tourist train operation from the yard.

“We plan to tell the court that they’ve been cleaning up the yard and we’ve seen a great deal of progress in the past few weeks,” said Noble “We’re satisfied with what they’re doing.”

The expiration of the railroad’s 25-year lease on the county-owned rail line could bring a quiet end to a two-and-a-half-year legal battle initiated by former mayor Shayne Gallo to evict the tourist railroad from its Midtown headquarters. Back in 2013, county officials, eager to get going on the plan to turn the old Ulster & Delaware railroad line into a rail trail, were working to void CMRR’s lease on the grounds that the privately owned railroad had not met its obligations under the terms of the agreement. At the same time, Gallo initiated a separate legal action targeting the rail yard. The city suit argued that the yard, which sits on county-owned property, was operating illegally because it had never obtained site plan approval from the city planning board. The suit also claimed that debris, unsafe conditions and potentially hazardous material stored at the yard constituted a threat to public health. At one point, Gallo ordered a city dump truck parked across the tracks to prevent the railroad from bringing old rail cars, which may have been contaminated with lead paint, from a site near the Hurley Flats to the Cornell Street yard for refurbishment. The rail line running through the heart of Midtown has long been a source of irritation to some residents, who complain about noise and diesel fumes as the tourist train makes its way from the Cornell Street to Kingston Plaza, where passengers embark.

The city’s lawsuit culminated in a Dec. 31, 2015 ruling when City Court Judge Phillip Kirchner issued an order that the railroad “must cease the use of the parcel as a rail yard” and “remove all debris” to the satisfaction of the city’s building department. CMRR President Ernest Hunt said the railroad had interpreted the order to mean that CMRR must clean up the yard and remove everything except equipment related to the tourist train operation. Hunt said that the railroad was in the process of taking two steam engines and other equipment out of the yard. One of the engines and other gear is expected to be trucked to Phoenicia, where the railroad runs a tourist train on another stretch of the old U&D line. “We saw it as a good opportunity to do a general cleanup of the yard,” said Hunt.

While that cleanup continues, so does the search for a new permanent home for the yard. Under the terms of a compromise agreement crafted by Hein and approved by county lawmakers, a tourist railroad will continue to operate alongside a walking path on a stretch of track between Kingston Plaza and a site a few miles outside of city limits. The county is expected to issue a request for proposals sometime next month and CMRR is expected to make its case to continue its operation. But the tracks between the plaza and Cornell Street will be ripped up and replaced with a pedestrian and bike path. When that happens, whichever railroad takes over the remaining track will need to find a new location for its trains and equipment.

Hunt said that it would be up to the county to identify a site for a new rail yard in its request for proposals. “We’re indifferent as to where it is as long as it’s a secure fenced-in location,” said Hunt. “But we have to have something in place before we move out. It’s not a Lionel train set that you can just back up and put in a box for awhile.”


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:14 pm 

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If I may further inquire, have you set up a GoFundMe or some sort of fundraiser that will enable you construct a new facility? Unless the county is specifically paying for it and that's in agreement maybe allowing private donations to help your cause can help. Also out of all the trouble you've had with the county I'd been interested in asking if you have thought of organizing a mass protest using potential supporters to gain a stronghold in Kingston? It's a risky move indeed but could it be feasible for an operation such as the Catskill Mountain?

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 Post subject: CMRR Work Report - 2/13
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:12 pm 

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Saturday, February 13th

In Kingston, Earl Pardini, Jeff Otto, John Marino, Vince Guido, Dave Hilliard and Tom Whyte continued cleanout of Cornell Street yard. More 23 parts were loaded and moved to Phoenicia.

In Phoenicia, George Peck and his crew unloaded 23 parts and continued work for a second track in the ESRM carbarn for future storage of Engine 23.

West of Phoenicia, Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie and the Lane brothers continued cutting the tracks near MP 29 and east of the Woodland Valley bridge.


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 Post subject: CMRR Work Report - 2/20, 2/21
PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:18 pm 

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Saturday, February 20th

In Kingston, Earl Pardini, Jeff Otto, Walt Otto, Vince Guido, Jim Bruck, John Marino, Peter Fluchere, Dave Hilliard, Neil Remsen and Tom Whyte continued cleanout of Cornell Street yard. More 23 parts were loaded and moved to Phoenicia. Earl's O-4-0 cab and saddle tank and other parts to the engine were moved to his property. Old ties in the yard were gathered for disposal.

In Phoenicia, George Peck, Greg Peck, Rick Desir, Art Vogel Dave Heick and Tyler Carelli unloaded 23 parts and continued work for a second track in the ESRM carbarn for future storage of Engine 23.

West of Phoenicia, Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie, George Bain, John Malloy, Joe Wolff and the Lane brothers continued cutting the tracks near the Snyder Hollow Switch at the east end of the Woodland Valley bridge.

Paul Sternitzke cleared the track of logs and brush from Shokan to the Boiceville Trestle and from Shokan to the Dog Crossing.


Sunday, February 21st

Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie, Joe Wolff and the Lane Brothers completed work at the Snyder Hollow switch area and began work at High Street in Phoenicia:

https://www.facebook.com/RyanL3NNOX


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:51 pm 

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thebigham wrote:
http://www.kingstonx.com/2016/02/15/kingston-mayor-fine-with-pace-of-railroad-yard-cleanup/

Kingston mayor fine with pace of railroad yard cleanup
by JESSE J. SMITH on Feb 15, 2016 •

Mayor Steve Noble said this week that he’s satisfied with progress made by the Catskill Mountain Railroad in cleaning up their Cornell Street rail yard and he has no plans to take further enforcement action at the site.

Noble added he had no problem with waiting until May, when the CMRR’s lease with Ulster County expires and the stretch of track between the Cornell Street and Kingston Plaza is demolished to make way for a walking and biking trail. Noble’s remarks come as the railroad is facing a court-mandated Feb. 10 deadline to clear debris and remove all items not related to their tourist train operation from the yard.

“We plan to tell the court that they’ve been cleaning up the yard and we’ve seen a great deal of progress in the past few weeks,” said Noble “We’re satisfied with what they’re doing.”

The expiration of the railroad’s 25-year lease on the county-owned rail line could bring a quiet end to a two-and-a-half-year legal battle initiated by former mayor Shayne Gallo to evict the tourist railroad from its Midtown headquarters. Back in 2013, county officials, eager to get going on the plan to turn the old Ulster & Delaware railroad line into a rail trail, were working to void CMRR’s lease on the grounds that the privately owned railroad had not met its obligations under the terms of the agreement. At the same time, Gallo initiated a separate legal action targeting the rail yard. The city suit argued that the yard, which sits on county-owned property, was operating illegally because it had never obtained site plan approval from the city planning board. The suit also claimed that debris, unsafe conditions and potentially hazardous material stored at the yard constituted a threat to public health. At one point, Gallo ordered a city dump truck parked across the tracks to prevent the railroad from bringing old rail cars, which may have been contaminated with lead paint, from a site near the Hurley Flats to the Cornell Street yard for refurbishment. The rail line running through the heart of Midtown has long been a source of irritation to some residents, who complain about noise and diesel fumes as the tourist train makes its way from the Cornell Street to Kingston Plaza, where passengers embark.

The city’s lawsuit culminated in a Dec. 31, 2015 ruling when City Court Judge Phillip Kirchner issued an order that the railroad “must cease the use of the parcel as a rail yard” and “remove all debris” to the satisfaction of the city’s building department. CMRR President Ernest Hunt said the railroad had interpreted the order to mean that CMRR must clean up the yard and remove everything except equipment related to the tourist train operation. Hunt said that the railroad was in the process of taking two steam engines and other equipment out of the yard. One of the engines and other gear is expected to be trucked to Phoenicia, where the railroad runs a tourist train on another stretch of the old U&D line. “We saw it as a good opportunity to do a general cleanup of the yard,” said Hunt.

While that cleanup continues, so does the search for a new permanent home for the yard. Under the terms of a compromise agreement crafted by Hein and approved by county lawmakers, a tourist railroad will continue to operate alongside a walking path on a stretch of track between Kingston Plaza and a site a few miles outside of city limits. The county is expected to issue a request for proposals sometime next month and CMRR is expected to make its case to continue its operation. But the tracks between the plaza and Cornell Street will be ripped up and replaced with a pedestrian and bike path. When that happens, whichever railroad takes over the remaining track will need to find a new location for its trains and equipment.

Hunt said that it would be up to the county to identify a site for a new rail yard in its request for proposals. “We’re indifferent as to where it is as long as it’s a secure fenced-in location,” said Hunt. “But we have to have something in place before we move out. It’s not a Lionel train set that you can just back up and put in a box for awhile.”



This is what it means when you own your own track. I can't believe this would really happen, and their not allowing a new lease?


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:04 pm 

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It's funny... Looking at the Cornell St. Yard on Google earth, it's barely visible at all, from anywhere! It's totally fenced in on all sides and parked right in the middle of several other unexciting industrial buildings. It would certainly make for a dull, uninspiring trail, that's for sure!

I wonder what the fuss is all about?

Another good question is, are those industries fine with having a trail right along side them?

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 Post subject: CMRR Work Report - 2/27, 2/28
PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:58 pm 

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Saturday, February 27th

In Kingston, Earl Pardini, Jeff Otto, Vince Guido, Jim Bruck, John Marino, Tom Whyte and newcomer Jess Pucchio continued cleanout of Cornell Street yard. More 23 parts were loaded and moved to Phoenicia, including the cab. Earl's 0-4-0 chassis and other parts to the engine were moved to his property.

In Phoenicia, George Peck and his crew unloaded 23 parts and continued work for a second track in the ESRM carbarn for future storage of Engine 23.

West of Phoenicia, Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie, and the Lane brothers continued cutting the tracks near High Street in Phoenicia.



Sunday, February 28th

Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie, Pete and the Lane Brothers continued cutting along High Street in Phoenicia. They are now 2/3 done in this area.

https://www.facebook.com/RyanL3NNOX





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:09 pm 

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What will become of the original Wisconsin Central RS1 that has been stored at Kingston with a cracked block? I know you guys had an extra 539 block available at one time.


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 Post subject: CMRR Work Report - 3/5, 3/6
PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:34 pm 

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Saturday, March 5th

In Kingston, Earl Pardini, Jeff Otto, Walt Otto, Vince Guido, Dave Hilliard, John Marino, Martin Elbrecht, Tom Wyte and Tony Bocchino continued cleanout of Cornell Street yard. Engine 23's tender and Engine 23 itself were moved to the west end of the yard for loading for their future move to Phoenicia.

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=228614

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=228613

West of Phoenicia, Ryan Lennox, Hunter Downie, Joe Wolff and the Lane brothers continued cutting the tracks near High Street in Phoenicia.

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=228620


Sunday, March 6th

Ryan Lennox and Hunter Downie continued cutting along High Street in Phoenicia.


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:58 pm 

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Dismantlement of Westbrook Lane to Cornell Street begins:

http://www.railwayindustry.com/bid-oppo ... vices.html

Bid Date & Time: 03/22/16 4:00 PM
Owner Solic Number: 2021516, RFSOQ-UC16-031
Status: design
Report: 6879766
Country : United States
State: NY
County: Ulster
Location: Ulster County Midtown Linear Park (MP 3 to 3.8, Cornell Street to Westbrook Lane)

The Project seeks to convert an approximately 0.8-mile segment of the County-owned Ulster & Delaware (“U&D”) Railroad Right-of-Way (“ROW”) into a rail trail/ urban linear park from Cornell Street to Westbrook Lane in the City of Kingston (please refer to Project Area Map in Attachment B). The Project will serve non-motorized transportation and recreational uses, including walking, running, bicycling, and inline skating. The County plans to convert the existing U&D railroad corridor into a trail. The Project includes establishing a trailhead/ pocket-park at the most eastern segment of the ROW between Cornell Street and Oneil Street, which is currently used as a railroad storage and maintenance yard. On the western end of the Project, the Project will need to consider and accommodate possible future tourism railroad operations, which might load passengers on the eastern side of Westbrook Lane. The ROW in the Project area includes two grade crossings (Oneil and Downs Streets) and three underpasses (at Elmendorf Street, Albany Avenue, and I-587/ Col. Chandler Drive).


Scope: Professional services of a consulting civil engineering firm to prepare preliminary and final plans, specifications, and bidding documents, and provide right of way incidental services and construction support for a development of a rail trail.

Removal and disposal/salvage of existing railroad track, ties and other track materials; Trail sub surface, surface materials, width, shoulders, and trail amenities, including access points; Drainage repairs, modifications and improvements; Assessment and planning related to existing grade crossing and overpass structures; Accessibility to persons with disabilities and emergency response vehicles; Safety features, including fencing, signage, lighting, security cameras, and other measures deemed necessary or appropriate to protect trail users and adjoining property users; Possible site remediation at the location of the eastern pocket park/trailhead, for which the County is currently progressing a Phase I and Phase II Environmental Site Assessment; Coordination with any permitting agencies and facilitation of local community input of proposed Project design; Connectivity to and impacts on adjacent neighborhoods and possible future train operations on connecting segment of ROW Identification, assessment and interpretation of historic resources of the corridor, including historic railroad-related fixtures; Aesthetics and trail user experience, including possible inclusion of recreational equipment (exercise stations), public art, and community gathering spaces; Design of approximately 0.8 - acre pocket park.


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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:01 pm 

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I'm not fully "in the know", but having seen this brief section of track in person it seems to be a very strange corridor for a recreational trail. It basically starts at a supermarket and terminates in an industrial backroad.


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Frank J. DeStefano wrote:
I'm not fully "in the know", but having seen this brief section of track in person it seems to be a very strange corridor for a recreational trail. It basically starts at a supermarket and terminates in an industrial backroad.


I was looking at it on Google Earth recently and thought the same thing. The yard itself is almost completely hidden.

Are people going to feel safe traversing that particular stretch of the trail?

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 Post subject: Re: Catskill Mountain Railroad News - 2016
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 11:08 am 

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This is the official explanation:

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-new ... ey-operate

"He [Hein] said that while taking on the status quo of the Catskill Mountain Railroad was controversial, the outcome has resulted in both the continued operation of a tourist train and plans for a recreational trail that will allow public access to the Ashokan Reservoir for the first time in more than 100 years.

Beyond that he said, the plan — which calls for a recreational trail from Cornell Street to Kingston Plaza in the city — will bring long-delayed social justice to the poor of the city by giving those without transportation an easy way to get to the Hannaford supermarket and affordable food."

You can't make this stuff up.

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eehiv wrote:
a recreational trail from Cornell Street to Kingston Plaza in the city — will bring long-delayed social justice to the poor of the city by giving those without transportation an easy way to get to the Hannaford supermarket and affordable food."

Around here, we call them "Can't Afford" because of their high prices.

Now if the trail went to an Aldi, then I could believe it. What nonsense.

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