I've got a question for all ya'll. The C&O's most common switcher engine was the class C-16 0-8-0. By the end of 1948 the C&O had acquired a fleet of 210 0-8-0 switchers, 125 of which were modern C-16's. The Norfolk & Western had bought 30 of the C-16's; numbers 255-284 and classed then as S-1 and retained the same road numbers. The Virginian Railway also bought some. They bought 15, numbers 240-254; classed as SB, also retaining the same numbers. In 1954 18 were donated to the Korean National Railway. So recap:
C&O.......................125 total
N&W........................30 bought
VGN.........................15 bought
KNR.........................18 donated
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Total second hand.........63

None of the C&O kept and saved any C-16's. So my question is; do any of the 63 second hand 0-8-0's survive? Whether in Korea or US. Thanks for the help!

To best of my knowledge, no, none have survived; either here or in Korea.

Okay, thanks for the help. It's certainly a shame that none survive.

This subject was brought up before, with the emphasis mostly on whether the one donated Erie Pacific is still surviving in South Korea. That rumor was apparently laid to rest (it DOESN'T still exist)! What I would like to know is exactly what OTHER steamers were sent over to South Korea at that time. We know of the 16 C&O 0-8-0's and of one Pennsy B6, but there were apparently OTHER Erie engines besides 4-6-2 #2524 and other C&O and PRR locomotives. And possibly engines from other railroads. But there are no lists of exactly what other locomotives, nor the actual numbers of those locomotives! Doesn't someone have this information? Or can't we find it out somehow? Someone, somewhere, must know this early rail preservation information!

Les

I was working on just this on my old pernet.net site, and later my survivingworldsteam.com site. It was also my website that started the rumor about the Erie Pacific; it was based on an e-mail I recieved a long time ago.

Here is the web page from my pernet.net website on the Internet Wayback Machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/200503090318 ... /korea.htm

(It was a little balky tonight; just keep reloading till you get it.)

It pulled heavily from Don Ross' pages on Korean National Railways:

http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/indexknr.htm

The Surviving World Steam Project is coming out the "backshop" following a "heavy overhaul" and updating. It should be returning to the web shortly; it will include the above webpage on Korean steam locomotives; while the the Surviving World Steam Locomotive database will include additional photographs of perserved steam locomotives in South Korean that were sent to me during the period the project was offline.

VMT has a Virginian 0-8-0 but I don't think its the C&O.



I didnt know some went to Korea.

nope, I don't think a one survived over here.

Not even the Roanoke built ones, 5 years work life. yow. scrappo.

The 0-8-0 at VMT it not C&O. The VMT is a class "SA" the 0-8-0's that VGN bought from the C&O were "SB".

Earlier Les wrote, "What I would like to know is exactly what OTHER steamers were sent over to South Korea at that time." In the near future I'm going back over to Korea for a few weeks, so if anyone would like for me to look in any particular location for a surviving US-made locomotive, let me know and I'll add it to my "to do" list.

Tim;

I can you via e-mail a spreadsheet with my latest list for Korea, if you are interested.

-James

Yes, thanks for a copy of that spreadsheet! I'll put it to good use very soon.

I have tried for years to find out if the lone Frisco engine sent to Korea survived. I've had zero luck so far.
Frisco was the only railroad to receive new engines in 1930, the 4200-4219 series. They tried to cancel due to the depression but the materials were already ordered and in production, so Baldwin wouldn’t cancel.

The engines actually proved to be some serious workhorses, and until the Great Northern O-8 mikes came along, were the largest 2-8-2s in the world.

The first engines received were turning in exceptional performances, and the Frisco was impressed enough with them to order a 21st engine with some modifications. It was put into service immediately and performed no better than the rest, and in fact it had less weight on drivers and proved to be less impressive. In 1932, this engine was sold to Korea where it seemed to drop off the radar.

I finally found a photo of this engine on the Frisco from an obscure collector’s estate and eagerly bought it. It’s only a small print, dark and a little fuzzy, but it’s the only shot I’ve ever laid my hands on. I apologize for the quality.

Folks;

I should have sent Tim the invitation to recieve a list via PM; that was my mistake.

Tim has contributed six of the nine pictures I have of steam locomotives preserved in South Korea. So, I am more than happy to send him a list in the hopes that he will have even more when he returns.

My records for Korea as a whole are not complete. But I don't know the exact total, so I don't know how many I am missing.

I have 18 listed for South Korea; CRJ 100 mentions "many" plinthed; but not an exact number. North Korea had something like 300 steam locomotives when Ron Ziel wrote "Steam Under A Red Star" in 1993; but they sent most of them to China for scrap. Nine of the 45 I have listed to date are believed to have been scrapped; but the total may be more.

What I will tell you is as of today; those for which I have complete data were either built in Japan during it's occupation of Korea, or supplied by America much earlier. Despite rumors to the contrary, the Erie K-1 Pacific has not been seen. Nor has the Frisco engine mentioned. Nor any of the S-160s supplied; though that is not surprising since they were not liked by South Korean drivers because of their left-hand drive.

(Sheepish grin) You can stop looking for the Frisco engine, there was no such engine as the 4220. 4200-4219 were huge 2-8-2s and the Frisco never owned a 2-8-4.
I tried to resist doing that, but I couldn't pass a chance like that. April Fool!

I kinda wondered why you were talking about big Mikados but had a picture of a Berkshire. Figured it was something I missed...........and apparently it was.

Taylor

You got me Frisco all panicked when I thought the Frisco had Berks I knew nothing about! Only then did I look at the date....Grrrrrr....You got he specs on those Mikes and does someone have the GN O-8 specs for comparision?