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 Post subject: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 6:26 pm 

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In my newest list in compiling equipment, I've started a surviving PRR passenger equipment list, which will eventually be expanded to include other kinds of rolling stock. This is inclusive of coaches, sleepers, diners, baggage cars, RPO cars, etc. I haven't gotten very far with the list so far, but I want to ask the people on here about ones they might know about.
I've been having a fairly difficult time with this one in comparison to my previously done "Surviving Reading Passenger Equipment" list, so any help would be appreciated. Below, I'll outline some cars that I've been having trouble with.

-MP54's #413, 427, 427, and 453.
These were the MP54's that were owned by the URHS NJ. Some sources state that they were to be scrapped, but others indicate that they're still there. Satellite imagery from this year show railcars still at the site they were stored at. Does anyone have more information?

-P70's #1639(?) and #1650(?).
These P70's are/were on the Hudson terminal railroad in Hudson, Colorado, but I cannot find any pictures or much info on them, other than on an old post on this website.

I thank anyone for their help in advance!
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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 7:47 pm 
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I started a thread here many many years ago, for just the PRR lightweight equipment. It is (still) incomplete (at the time I did not give it the attention I gave to other parallel projects, unfortunately), but a lot of info was posted there.

https://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38269

I was also recently asked by a party for a summary on all the surviving PRR Pullman heavyweight equipment, which is on my to-do list to compile from my notes, perhaps I will do a "cut-and-paste" to here.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:40 am 

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Corey Page wrote:
-MP54's #413, 427, 427, and 453.
These were the MP54's that were owned by the URHS NJ. Some sources state that they were to be scrapped, but others indicate that they're still there. Satellite imagery from this year show railcars still at the site they were stored at.


They still exist along the Bel-Del in Jersey, and still currently owned by URHS.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 8:30 pm 

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Other preserved MP54s: Wilmington and Western has 442 (converted to open air car) and 450 (stored unserviceable). Delaware & Ulster rosters 441, 444, and 447 (painted as New York Central.) And the Durbin & Greenbrier Valley has car 543, converted to open air car 203 (ex-Strasburg Rail Road "Conestoga Creek.")

B60b baggage car #9275 is in regular service as the West Chester Railroad.

Heavyweight parlor car "Mineral Spring" is currently at the Woodstown Central Railroad after being restored and spending several years on the Cape May Seashore Lines.

The Colebrookdale Railroad rosters Pullman heavyweight sleeper #729 "Lake Girard" with plans to rebuild it as the "Lion Gardiner."


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2025 11:25 pm 

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4 dockside coal dump switchers
4 standard gauge electric freight locos
16 GG1s
9 MP54 electrics
are listed here:
http://www.bera.org/cgi-bin/pnaerc.pl?sel_owner_once=Pennsylvania+Railroad&sel_match_fld=&sel_match_val=&sel_range_fld=&sel_range_low=&sel_range_high=&sort_dir1=ASC&sort_dir2=ASC&pagelen=200&sel_submit=SUBMIT


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 7:58 pm 

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More I know of:

At the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania:

-BA wood baggage car 6
-P70 heavyweight coach 1006
-P58 heavyweight coaches 1650 and 1651
-PF wood coach 3556
-OG wood combine 4639
-BC wood RPO 5403
-BD wood baggage car 6076
-PH wood coach 8177
-sleeper 8451 "Scioto Rapids"
-B60b baggage car 9356
-Air Brake Instruction Car 492445 (former RPO)
-Observation "Tower View"

Railexco currently owns and leases out: Congressional parlor car "Fox River Valley" (as "White Bear Lake"), Clocker coaches 1582 and 1596 (as "Effingham")

The North Carolina Transportation Museum has Clocker coach 1483 (built as N&W sleeper "Franklin County",) acquired from Railexco.

Several more Clocker coaches are used for the Mile One Express at the B&O Railroad Museum:

-N&W sleeper "Campbell County" -> PRR coach 1481 - > BOMX 102 "Cooper Union"
-PRR Sleeper "Urbana Inn" -> coach 1543 -> BOMX 130 "Hershey Ware"
-PRR sleeper "Hamilton Inn" -> coach 1519 - > BOMX 141 "Lisa Ware"
-PRR sleeper 8421 "Alliance Inn"/"Jacob J. Vandergrift -> coach 1503 -> BOMX 143 "Blue Drucker"
-PRR sleeper 8286 "Tiffin Inn" -> coach 1504 -> BOMX 144 "Ron Drucker"

Cape May Seashore Lines- P70 coaches 1700 and 1704 are under restoration as of 2023.

The Newtown Square Railroad Museum has PK wood coach 1444.


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 9:26 pm 

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Tyler H. wrote:
More I know of:


-PRR sleeper 8286 "Tiffin Inn" -> coach 1504 -> BOMX 144 "Ron Drucker"

Cape May Seashore Lines- P70 coaches 1700 and 1704 are under restoration as of 2023.

The Newtown Square Railroad Museum has PK wood coach 1444.


Worked for Ron Drucker during the final days of Chessie in Baltimore.


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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:21 pm 
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Separate from the thread I mentioned earlier, there is another thread I started which covers all of the #1400-series (ex-N&W) and #1500-series (ex-Inn-series) cars converted from sleepers for the "Clocker" service: https://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36038

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 10:48 pm 

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There are, give or take, about 25 P70 coaches that survive in one form or another.

B60 baggage cars are plentiful. The Everett Railroad has 9035 & 7578, and is storing 9004 for the Railroaders Memorial Museum. There are many more scattered about.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2025 11:04 pm 

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The Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society has Franklin Inn and Collinsville Inn and use them in regular excursion service. They are listed as "air conditioned deluxe coaches. I have rode in Franklin Inn four times to date., including last month.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2025 1:50 pm 

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Business car #120 "Pennsylvania" is owned by Juniata Terminal Co. in Philadelphia.

Amtrak certified Pullman car "Colonial Crafts" is owned by the Colonial Pullman Co. and is being leased to the Strasburg Rail Road for the 2025 Christmas season.

The Railroaders' Memorial Museum in Altoona has:
-Express refrigerator car 2561 (used in passenger service)
-B60 baggage 9055
-BM-70bn RPO 6509 (former tool car for K4s 1361)
-BM-70n RPO 5239 "Robert E. Hannagan"
-Broadway Limited Blunt-end observation "Mountain View"
-D78F dining car 4468

The Reading Railroad Heritage Museum has B60 baggage #9051, used for workshop space and painted in Golden Spike Centennial colors: [url]https://www.facebook.com/groups/109816075710/?multi_permalinks=10164163467095711&hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&__cft__[0]=AZWHya3kdV1YTOWe6xETdTsW12nn9rrAOEIUk-lIdqK-zBjmNwJ5Ca-yQ9pk4XE3WibUFEODLk3bdvpDcSsFaMss-ffOPccAFx58_XqsFU7otFXOD6ymnuQlwXJDkcDTHpXYubM8H9I8K4XDCI_nax3lJIZbx2XyNZUZ4WiN___U7yDe8O9epRBCkRg4IIMd0bo7K6vgwlhb8L7yTO0AXjx7&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 2:31 pm 

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Here are some more pieces of surviving passenger equipment to add to the list.

Sleeper lounge 8400 “Alder Falls” presently resides on the Delaware Lackawaxen & Stourbridge Railroad in Honesdale, PA. It has been restored to PRR paint externally.

Sister sleeper-lounge 8404 “Catalpa Falls”, also restored to PRR paint, is now at the Heber Valley Railroad in Utah.

Business car 7503, presently restored to PRR paint and carrying the name “Francis L. Suter”, is in private ownership and usually resides at the Amtrak yard next to Philadelphia’s 30th Street Station when not in use.

The Reading & Northern Railroad in Pennsylvania has four cars:

RPO 6503, now converted to generator car RBMN 1256

Sleeper 8269 “Lock Haven Inn”, later coach 1525-now RBMN 560

Sleeper 8287 “Tyrone Inn”, later coach 1524-now RBMN 561

Sleeper 8247 “Bucyrus Inn”, later coach 1516-now RBMN 562

Parlor-lounge-blunt end observation 7129 “Alexander Hamilton” is now a business car for the Livonia Avon & Lakeville family of short lines in western New York.

In addition to the MP54’s mentioned earlier, the United Railroad Historical Society of New Jersey has three other cars:

Sleeper 8249 “Cambridge Inn”, later coach 1547 is presently part of the Society’s operational fleet and was leased for excursions this past summer and fall over the Finger Lakes Railway in upstate New York.

Coach 3734, later 1734 should still be stored in Holland Township, NJ on the same siding as the earlier mentioned MP54’s. This is the car that was assigned to the Jersey Shore Commuter Club on the NY&LB.

Baggage car 9286 is stored at the URHS’ main yard in Boonton, NJ, restored to PRR paint.

Sleeper 8663 “Lake Girard”, mentioned earlier, has had its restoration completed and is in regular service on the Colebrookdale Railroad’s excursion trains out of Boyertown, PA. The car is presently numbered as EBGX 8663.

In addition, and also presently restored and in service, the Colebrookdale Railroad has sleeper 8733 “Beaver” also converted for dining purposes.

Danbury Railway Museum in Connecticut has three cars:

Coach 3366, later 1670, has had its interior modified to resemble a business car, with one vestibule converted to an open observation deck. This transformation occurred during private ownership of the car post PRR and pre-Danbury.

RPO 6507, later 5463, later 6563 has been restored inside and out, as PRR 6563, and is one of several exhibits usually open for public viewing during regular Museum hours.

A baggage car marked as Metro North 057 is stored near the turntable. Its original PRR number is presently unknown.

Doodlebug 4662 is on the roster of the Wilmington & Western Railroad in Delaware.

Doodlebug 4666 resides on the Allentown & Auburn Railroad in Pennsylvania.

Railbus 4738, originally Lewisburg Milton & Watsonville Passenger Railway 20, is part of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, PA.

Sleeper 8556 “Herald Square” is privately owned and stored on the Black River & Western Railroad in Ringoes, NJ. It is presently lettered as NYO&W “Chenango”.

Coach 1702, later rebuilt as an open air car, is now part of the North Shore Railroad’s excursion fleet in central Pennsylvania. This is the same open air car used by the Tioga Central Railroad of Wellsboro, PA for many years.

Baggage car 9046 is stored on the Housatonic Railroad in Canaan, CT.

A P70, PRR number presently unknown, is stored at the former site of the Old Colony & Fall River Railroad Museum in Fall River, MA.

Another P70, PRR number presently unknown, is in storage at Melville, RI on the Old Colony & Newport Railway/Newport & Narragansett Bay Railroad awaiting possible restoration.

Coach 4051 has had its interior converted to a dining car and is in regular service on the Newport & Narragansett Bay Railroad’s dinner trains out of Melville, RI.

A baggage car, last marked as SRNJ 9935, is stored on the Southern Railroad of New Jersey near Winslow, NJ.

The Rochester & Genesee Valley Railroad Museum in Industry, NY has RPO 6516 and sleeper-lounge 8139 “Pine Falls” in their collection.

The Valley Railroad of Essex, CT has two cars:

Baggage car 9284, now generator car VALE 400

Parlor car 7068 “Da Costa”, now VALE dining car “Goodspeed”

In addition to the Mineral Spring mentioned earlier on their Woodstown Central operation, SMS Rail Lines has two other cars:

RPO 8565, later 5376 in storage at their main operation in Logan Township, NJ

Baggage car 9373 in use as a tool car at their operation in Morrisville, PA

The new excursion operation on Patriot Rail’s Gettysburg & Northern in Gettysburg, PA has three cars, all sleepers turned coaches:

8257 “Elmira Inn”, later 1514-now GET 1862

8253 “Coatesville Inn”, later 1527-now GET 1863

1497-now GET 1865 (This was originally N&W sleeper “Duke University”.)

The Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society has two sleepers turned coaches:

8254 “Collinsville Inn”, later 1508 and 8258 “Franklin Inn”, later 1537

Three cars reside on the Potomac Eagle Scenic Railroad in Romney, WV:

Sleeper 8246 “Braddock Inn”, later coach 1509-presently leased from Collis P. Huntington Chapter NRHS

Coaches 1577 and 1584-converted to dining cars SBVR 7600 and 7605 respectively. Both are leased from South Branch Valley Railroad.

Baggage car 9269 is stored in Middletown, PA at the Middletown & Hummelstown Railroad.

In addition to coaches 1700 and 1704 mentioned earlier as being at the Cape May Seashore Lines in Tuckahoe, NJ, the railroad has the following cars on the property:

1678, 1682, 1708, 1718

Also, two P70’s once on the PRSL roster, 9887 and 9935 also reside there.

Business car, later coach 3999 “Trenton”, built in the late 1800’s, is stored indoors at the New Jersey Museum of Transportation at Allaire State Park in Farmingdale, NJ.

Parlor 7002 “Enterprise”, originally “Camden”, is part of a restaurant in Somerset, MA near Cape Cod.

The Central New York Chapter NRHS has two cars:

At the New York State Fairgrounds in Solvay, NY is displayed a P70 coach, PRR number currently unknown. The car is presently used as a gift shop on days when the Chapter’s equipment display is open to the public. During its time on Conrail, it was classroom safety car 27452.

Diner 4487, the interior also since changed, is displayed next to the Chapter’s Martisco Station Museum.

In addition, while not for riding, the following two cars were equipped for use on passenger trains:

Boxcar 9495 was used for Railway Express Agency service. It presently is part of the Railroad Museum of New England collection in Thomaston, CT.

Cabin car 5014 was one of several cabin cars used for employees working with REA on passenger trains. It is displayed beside the train station in Manheim, PA by the local historical society.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 10:22 pm 
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Hi...A few odds and ends that have been missed so far.
1898 former Pullman parlor observation Veritas (now the
Gertrude Emma) at Conway Scenic which was built for and
ran on the PRR's Pennsylvania Limited.

B74b Horse car Saratoga Springs No. 5840 (now no. 90014)
at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania

B74a last reported to be in Hubbard Ohio (number given
as No. 92285)

1949 Budd built twin unit diner cars (former No's 4610-4611)
last reported to be at the Mid West Railway Preservation Society

1952 Budd built parlor observation No. 7127 "Martha Washington"
reported to be on the Morristown and Erie in storage.

D78 heavy weight diner No. 4418 in Griffiths Park at Los Angeles, Ca.

X42 Express Box Car No. 2545 on the Charlotte Valley Railroad in Milford N.Y.

Unknown is if the power car and two of the coaches from the 1956
Budd built PRR "Keystone" train still survive or not.

Several X29 box cars (with and without trucks) which were used in express service
still exist at several locations

Several Z 74 class business cars still exist. In addition to No. 120 "Pennsylvania"
mentioned above here are more.

No. 100 "Chesapeake" owner and location unknown.
No. 7503 (later No. 7506) "Illinois" at the Mid West Railway Society
No. 7504 "William Penn" W.W.Atterbury memorial, Illinois
No. 7505 "Martin W. Clement" In San Antonio Tx.
No. 7509 "Ohio" Western N. Y. Historical Society
No. ? "Pittsburgher" in G. N. paint for sale on Ozark Mountain


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 1:33 am 

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Let me throw a few more into the mix:

The Dennison (Ohio) RR Museum has PRR business car 7528, formerly PRR 7430 Williamsport at the Ohio Railway Museum. I believe it's a PRR class Z62, not Z74. From an ORM Facebook post from 2019:
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Featured here is Pennsylvania Railroad #7530, named the 'Williamsport'. Built in 1928 by the PRR's Altoona Shops, it was classified as a business car for a division superintendent to travel across the system and conduct business meetings at the same time. At 70 feet long and seating 25, the car was completely self contained - complete with a parlor, master bedroom, dining room, and galley (kitchen). There were even 8 Pullman beds available in the dining area if the superintendent had guests aboard on on overnight journey. Donated to the museum in 1963, it was the second passenger car in the collection, preceded by Norfolk & Western combine car #1511 the year before.

While the Williamsport is no longer in the collection today, she enjoys a great retirement with our friends at Dennison Railroad Depot Museum. Fully restored and on display (although lettered as #7528 instead), she is often used to host meetings similar to her days on the PRR.


Also at Dennison, as per a Chris Guenzler visit post in 2022 at TrainWeb (http://www.trainweb.org/chris/22dennison.html):

Pennsylvania Railroad coach 4064 built by the Budd Company in 1947. This 52 seat coach was part of the Pennsylvania Railroad/Seaboard Air Lines Silver Meteor pool. The car retained its number when absorbed in the Penn Central system. Amtrak took control of it in 1971, renumbered it 5286, then 073 after rebuilding it to 60 seat capacity. Orrville Railroad Heritage Society purchased it in 1984 and started using it in 1985 fan trips. Its name, Wm B. Baer, is in honor of the late president of Will-Burt Co who supported the ORHS.

Pennsylvania Railroad 12 Parlor Chairs Buffet Kitchen 14 Lounge Seats 7006 "Kiwanis Club" built by Pullman in 1929.

Pennsylvania Railroad Parlor Car 7007 built by Pullman in December 1929 as 13 seat parlor-buffet (kitchen)-12 seat dinette (2 4-seat tables and 2 2-seat tables)-16 seat lounge "Lambs Club". The floor arrangement was altered several times; between August and October 1943, it was changed to 12 seat parlor, kitchen, 24 seat dinette (6 4-seat tables) and 14 seat lounge. This car was withdraw from Pullman lease in October 1956 and became maintenance-of-way 492061 then later sold to the Midwest Railway Historical Foundation, the equipment-owning arm of the Midwest Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society. After the split from the Chapter, MRHF became the Midwest Railway Preservation Society .

Pennsylvania Railroad 12 Parlor Chairs Buffet Kitchen 14 Lounge Seats 7005 "Friars Club" built by Pullman in 1929.

Pennsylvania Railroad 10 Parlor Chair Dining 7004 "Vieux Carre" built by Pullman in 1964, originally "Pequot", rebuilt in 1913.

Pennsylvania Railroad 6-3 sleeper 9514 "Times Square" built by Pullman in 1925. It was sold to the Pennsylvania Railroad as 8561 "Times Square".

Pennsylvania Railroad combine 7003 "Matchless" built by Pullman in 1910, originally "Honey Brook", and rebuilt in 1933.

Now to three more PRR survivors:
Urbana (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8965 (1948) to MofW bunk PC 27420 to Central PA Chapter NRHS at White Deer, Pa.
PRR 492763 ex- PRR 8959 TORRANCE PS 12Sec 1Dr 1926 at White Deer
PRR 492516 ex-PRR 8701 TROMBLEY 12Sec1DR /nee- VOYAGER PS 10Sec 4Dup 1911 in rebuilt 12/1 form at White Deer.


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