The Brecon Mountain Railway in Wales has a Baldwin-built narrow gauge 4-6-2 that was originally built for Eastern Province Cement Co. in South Africa. Bears a striking resemblance to SR&RL 24.
http://www.breconmountainrailway.co.uk/no-2-locomotive
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| Author: | Mark Z. Yerkes [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
The recent move of the USATC S100 to PA got me thinking. What, if any, other models of steam locomotives did the US build and ship to the UK? A quick Google search turned up nothing, so I hope you guys know better. |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Working from memory, the examples I can think of include: Pershing 2-8-0s of WW I vintage, of which two are still in the US, and one is operational. S-100 0-6-0s of WW II vintage. S-160 2-8-0s of WW II vintage (GI 2-8-0), with at least one example operating in the UK. An unknown but vaguely recalled series of 2-6-0 from an earlier era, perhaps the early 1900s or even the 1890s, perhaps for the British Great Northern; these machines, perhaps by Baldwin, were ordered because for some reason domestic engines weren't available in a timely manner, and new power was needed in hurry. Overall the engines had relatively minor changes from American practice (a normal purchase would have been inside-connected 0-6-0s), and besides being outside connected, having bar frames, a leading axle and bogie tenders, the locomotives also featured a very nice, warm, dry cab, which was a noted contrast to the minimal cabs on British steam power at the time. Of course, there were also various Diesel units from the WW II era, and in our modern times American built EMD Class 66 C-C units have been quite prominent in British freight operations. Now if someone else can help fill in details and correct the very strong probability that I've missed others. . . |
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| Author: | 70000 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
If you want to go back a very long way, then Norris of Philadelphia built some locos for the Birmingham & Gloucester Railway in the 1840's. The other main batches of steam locos from US builders came to the UK in the late 1890's when British industry did not have the capacity (due to full order books and a major nationwide industrial dispute) to produce locos for the domestic market. They were delivered to the Midland and the Great Northern Railway companies, but didn't have a particularly long working life. They are not particularly well documented in "mainstream" publications either, so the only ones I know much about are those bought by the Midland Railway (mainly as I have a copy of a book about the MR published in the 1950's in my collection). They had 2 small batches of 2-6-0's, 30 built by Baldwin and 10 by Schenectady and were delivered in 1899 as their 2501/2511 classes. All were withdrawn from service by 1915. I think the GNR had a small batch of similar locos - possibly 20-25 in number. The Lynton & Barnstaple narrow gauge line bought a 2-4-2T Lyn from Baldwin around the same time (1898) for the same reasons as the other companies. A replica of this loco is now nearing completion for use on the recreated section of that line. The WW2 0-6-0 & 2-8-0 locos (plus some Whitcomb diesels) saw a fair amount of use in the time leading up to D-Day, but then tended to be sent to mainland Europe for use over there. The Southern Railway did purchase a small batch of the 0-6-0's (14 + 1 for spares)for its fleet, primarily for use around the Southampton Docks rail network. These mostly lasted in service until the end of steam on British Railways Southern Region inthe mid 1960's. Not steam, but a small fleet of Alco B-B switchers were bought for Port Talbot steelworks in Wales in the late 1940's and they remained in service until the 1980's. Two survive in preservation (Railworld, Peterborough and the Aln Valley Railway, Northumberland) A standard EMD SW1001 switcher was bought by Foster Yeoman in 1980 and remains in use at Merehead Quarry in Somerset. |
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| Author: | Overmod [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
There was the special Baldwin locomotive used to demonstrate the Eames vacuum brake, whose bell was presented many years later to one of the Pennoyers. |
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| Author: | David Notarius [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Hi Guys; As far as I know, the WW1 Pershing 2-8-0's never ran in the UK,, but American 0-6-0t and 0-4-0t's build for the British War Department did. There are a number of narrow gauge American locomotives over here, including some WW1 trench locomotives, along with a two foot gauge 0-4-0 Davenport imported from India (arrived in UK with a pair of WW1 Baldwin 4-6-0t's). There was also a Lima 1946 standard gauge 2-8-2 built for the French Railways, in the UK for a while, SNCF 141R73, now back in France. See: http://www.rail.co.uk/rail-news/2015/st ... t_Railways There are around seven (? - some are parts locomotives) S160 2-8-0's for S100 0-6-0t's currently in the UK, http://www.lner.info/locos/O/s160.php http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Events ... -S160.aspx http://www.railalbum.co.uk/steam-locomo ... s160-1.htm https://www.churnet-valley-railway.co.uk/steam-locos http://www.steamindex.com/locotype/warloco.htm along with s100 clones from Yugoslavia (class 62 tanks) see: http://www.project62.supanet.com/ There are still a few of these locomotive spread around Europe some preserved, but time is running out on the ones that are not. There are a few s160's and s100's in Greece, that are in danger. Over to you Preston....... Have fun - David Notarius, Wimblington - Cambridgeshire, UK ex New Hope PA |
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| Author: | John T [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
One Shay went to England. Lima #618 was a 30 ton machine built in 1900 for the Staffordshire Steel & Ingot Iron Works. It was scrapped in 1918. |
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| Author: | sleepermonster [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Try looking up: Barry Railway Class K 0-6-2T. Built 1899 for the Barry Railway in South Wales, taken over by the GWR, some of these engines lasted to around 1930. Many of the South Wales railways used 0-6-2T for colliery traffic. Tim |
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| Author: | Preston J. McEvoy [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Most Yankee steam in the UK originated with the USATC. There are slight variations among domestic and export locomotives from the Army across the board but the major odd ball is the US based S100 class which is 5 tons heavier with different sized wheels than those that went over seas. I believe the grate area is a bit larger too. The yugo versions of the USA tank have at least 2 members represented in the UK. These are identical to the USATC ordered engines in nearly every regarded except for using a plate frame, giving the engine taller boiler height. I think there was talk of one more JZ going to the UK at one point. |
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| Author: | hullmat991 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
I'm curious after all this talk of american locomotives in Europe; where there any Europe built locomotives that where comparable to the larger american engines excluding the huge articulates? For example was there anything built along the lines of the northern's or Berkshire's? |
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| Author: | Preston J. McEvoy [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Some 4-8-2 went to China that were of decent size. |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
Preston J. McEvoy wrote: Some 4-8-2 went to China that were of decent size. Actually, I think you might be thinking of the KF 4-8-4, which looks overall to be similar to Canadian and Mexican examples in size: http://pre02.deviantart.net/74b5/th/pre ... 574gxj.jpg http://www.enuii.com/vulcan_foundry/pho ... 0class.jpg This product of Vulcan of Great Britain looks American, but a broadside view reveals a lot of British practice, in particular plate frames (click on the photo to enlarge): http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/det ... &t=objects http://www.enginemuseum.org/images/image18.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_KF Some British power wound up in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_(locomotive) Prairie Dog Central runs a locomotive numbered 3, originally built by Dubs of Scotland for the Canadian Pacific in 1882; this machine, though built in Great Britain, apparently incorporates a great deal of American practice, including bar frames. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_D ... n_1882.jpg In the locomotives-other-than-steam category, a portion of the Canadian National electric locomotive fleet that ran for many years out of Montreal was built by English Electric (electrical components) and Beyer-Peacock (mechanical components): http://transpressnz.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... ctric.html http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eC65SB_v8RA/U ... ic+180.JPG http://www.canadianrailwayobservations. ... /cn180.jpg http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=234599 A Vulcan-built Fairley articulated engine ran for some years on the Denver & Rio Grande Western, but was not duplicated: http://www.enuii.com/vulcan_foundry/fairlies.htm A number of Fairlie and other British-designed articulated engines ran in Mexico, some of which were fairly impressive in size: Vulcan, 1911: http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/art ... airlie.pdf Yorkshire, 1876: http://spellerweb.net/rhindex/UKRH/Othe ... airlie.jpg No doubt there was more, particularly in Mexico. |
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| Author: | J3a-614 [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
John T wrote: One Shay went to England. Lima #618 was a 30 ton machine built in 1900 for the Staffordshire Steel & Ingot Iron Works. It was scrapped in 1918. A most curious happenstance! Got me inquiring to find what I could on this machine: http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-618.htm |
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| Author: | 70000 [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
sleepermonster wrote: Try looking up: Barry Railway Class K 0-6-2T. Built 1899 for the Barry Railway in South Wales, taken over by the GWR, some of these engines lasted to around 1930. Many of the South Wales railways used 0-6-2T for colliery traffic. Tim Wasn't aware of those (not a GWR/BR(W) fan...!), but on doing some further trawling of the internet, the Port Talbot Railway bought two 0-8-2T locos from Cookes of NJ, again in 1899. They lasted in service, latterly with the GWR, until around 1928/9 |
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| Author: | o484 [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
The Brecon Mountain Railway in Wales has a Baldwin-built narrow gauge 4-6-2 that was originally built for Eastern Province Cement Co. in South Africa. Bears a striking resemblance to SR&RL 24. http://www.breconmountainrailway.co.uk/no-2-locomotive
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| Author: | marshall5 [ Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: American steam locomotives in Great Britain |
After WW1 several N.G. Baldwin 4-6-0T's found use on several U.K. light railways such as Ashover (4) Snailbeach (3 or 4), the Glyn Valley and the Welsh Highland (1 each). Don't forget the 3 ex WW1 60cm g. Baldwin 2-6-2T's that went to the Penrhyn Quarries in N.Wales. One later went to Australia and in recent years has gone to Tacot les Lacs in France where it has been fully restored. This line has a good collection of ex WW1 equipment including 2 BLW 'tractors' and a BLW 4-6-0T converted to diesel power! Ray. |
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