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Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed May 21, 2014 6:13 am ]
Post subject:  SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Overview:

In June 1948, SP placed an order for 76 cars to re-equip the Sunset Limited. The cars were built in Budd Lot #040, and were delivered between March and July 1950. The order consisted of 5 club lounge diners, 6 baggage-RPOs, 13 chairs, 5 baggage dorms, 5 divided coaches, 6 diners, 6 club lounges, and 30 10RM-6DB sleepers (5 of these were built with blunt ends).

The order also included 2 chairs for the Golden State.

In 1951, the 6 baggage-RPOs, 13 chairs, 5 baggage-dorms, and 5 divided coaches were transferred and renumbered from SP to subsidiary T&NO. Except for one of the RPOs, these cars were transferred and renumbered back to SP in 1961. The lone RPO had been transferred back and renumbered in 1953. When transferred back to SP in 1961, the 13 chairs and 5 divided coaches were placed in different number series.

In February 1953, SP placed an order for 15 additional chairs, which were delivered between March and April 1954 in Budd Lot #9613-140. The 5 divided coaches from 1950 had been numbered #2359-#2363, the 13 chairs had been numbered #2364-#2376, and the 1951 transfer of these cars to T&NO had left those number series vacant, so the 15 1954 chairs were numbered #2362-#2376, resulting in the 1950 cars being placed in different number series when transferred back in 1961.

I'm looking for current disposition information for a number of these cars.

5 cars, Budd, Lot #9609-040, 1950, 83-DL-2 14 seat club lounge 32 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered in July 1950. Reconfigured in 1957 to 14 seat club lounge 22 seat grill diner, reconfigured in 1968 back to 14 seat club lounge 32 seat diner.

#10407 to Amtrak #8320. Stored (when??) and listed as retired in 1992. Current status unknown.

#10408 to Amtrak #8321. Wrecked in 1976 and sold to Brian B. Garrett-Whistle Stop Ranch (Flint, TX), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

#10409 to Amtrak #8322. Stored (when??) and listed as retired in 1993. Current status unknown.

#10410 to Amtrak #8323. Stored (when??) and listed as retired in 1993. Current status unknown.

#10411 to Amtrak #8324. Stored (when??) and listed as retired in 1994. Current status unknown.

6 cars, Budd, Lot #9611-040, 1950, 83-BP-30-2 baggage-30' RPO:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered in July 1950.

#5005 to T&NO #220 (1951) to SP #5005 (1953) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

#5006 to T&NO #221 (1951) to SP #5006 (1961) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

#5007 to T&NO #222 (1951) to SP #5007 (1961) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

#5008 to T&NO #223 (1951) to SP #5008 (1961) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

#5009 to T&NO #224 (1951) to SP #5009 (1961) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

#5010 to T&NO #225 (1951) to SP #5010 (1961) to MofW #unknown (1968). Current status unknown.

15 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-040, 1950, 83-C-3 44 seat chair:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between March and May 1950. #2364-#2376 ordered for Sunset Limited and #2377-#2378 ordered for Golden State. Amtrak converted several of these chairs to center-door baggage and postal storage cars in the 1990s.

#2364 (1st) to T&NO #437 (1951) to SP #2225 (1961) to Amtrak #4412 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4022 (1981). Retired and sold (when??) to VIA #144, renumbered (when??) to #4105. Active.

#2365 (1st) to T&NO #438 (1951) to SP #2226 (1961) to Amtrak #4413 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4016 (1981) to baggage-express #1709 (1996). Active.

#2366 (1st) to T&NO #439 (1951) to SP #2227 (1961) to Amtrak #4414 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4023 (1981). Retired and sold (when??) to VIA #145, renumbered (when??) to #4106. Active.

#2367 (1st) to T&NO #440 (1951) to SP #2228 (1961) to Amtrak #4415 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4001 (1980). Stored in 1995 and sold (when??) to Rail Quest America (RQAX) #4001, leased to AOE-Montana Rockies Rail Tours, then to Alaska RR #220 (2005-2006). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4001 and named Golden Sea. Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??

#2368 (1st) to T&NO #441 (1951) to SP #2229 (1961) to Amtrak #4416 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4007 (1980). Wrecked in 8-1994 on #49 Lake Shore Limited at Batavia, NY.

#2369 (1st) to T&NO #442 (1951) to SP #2230 (1961) to Amtrak #4417. Stored (when??) and later (when??) sold to VIA #146 to HEP #4107 (when??). Active.

#2370 (1st) to T&NO #443 (1951) to SP #2231 (1961) to Amtrak #4418 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4013 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Quest America (RQAX) #4013, leased to AOE-MRRT, then to Alaska RR #221 (2005-2006). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4013 and named Golden Surf. Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??

#2371 (1st) to T&NO #444 (1951) to SP #2232 (1961) to Amtrak #4419. Stored (when??) and later (when??) sold to VIA #147 to HEP #4108 (when??). Active.

#2372 (1st) to T&NO #445 (1951) to SP #2233 (1961) to Amtrak #4420 to HEP #4648 (1980) to baggage-express #1740 (1996) to postal storage #1760. Active.

#2373 (1st) to T&NO #446 (1951) to SP #2234 (1961) to Amtrak #4421 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4000 (1980). Retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

#2374 (1st) to T&NO #447 (1951) to SP #2235 (1961) to Amtrak #4422 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4019 (1981). Retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

#2375 (1st) to T&NO #448 (1951) to SP #2236 (1961) to Amtrak #4423. Stored (when??) and later (when??) sold to VIA #148 to HEP #4109 (when??). Active.

#2376 (1st) to T&NO #449 (1951) to SP #2237 (1961) to Amtrak #4424 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4008 (1980) to baggage-express #1725 (1997) to postal storage #1754. Active.

#2377 Golden Ore (name removed in 1965) to Amtrak #4410 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4014 (1981). Retired in 1995 and sold in 1996 to Santa Fe Southern. Sold in 1998 to Grand Canyon RY (GCRX) #2095 and renamed Anasazi.

#2378 Golden Sand (name removed in 1965) to Amtrak #4411 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4010 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to ITAX, later (when??) to Roger Verbeeren-American Rail Excursions (Sauk Village, IL). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4010, Golden Sand reapplied, leased to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG), and assigned to Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay (#800748).

5 cars, Budd, Lot #9614-040, 1950, 83-BD-2 baggage-16 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950.

#3102 to T&NO #300 (1951) to SP #3102 (1961) to Amtrak #1530 to HEP #1623 (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Henry Quadrachi-Quad Graphics, reconfigured to club lounge-dance floor-storage and named Silver Express (#800654) (Sussex, WI).

#3103 to T&NO #301 (1951) to SP #3103 (1961) to Amtrak #1531 to HEP #1622 (1980). Stored in 1994 and sold (when??) to ITAX, later (when??) to AOE, reconfigured to laundry-storage and named Los Angeles (#800715). Current status unknown.

#3104 to T&NO #302 (1951) to SP #3104 (1961) retained (1971) reconfigured to test & research car #250 and leased to FRA. To SP police mobile command car #250 (for protection of auto racks before the closed versions became common). To UP 1996, sold in 2003 to Dave Varilek-Empire Builder Private Cars (Hooper, NE).

#3105 to T&NO #303 (1951) to SP #3105 (1961) to Amtrak #1532 to HEP #1624 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Journeys West (Santa Clara, CA), later (when??) to ITAX, later (when??) to MRLX, named Sunset Harbor, leased to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG), painted in IC Chocolate & Orange, and assigned to Pullman Rail Journeys (#800701).

#3106 to T&NO #304 (1951) to SP #3106 (1961) to Amtrak #1533. Stored (when??) and sold in 1984 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

5 cars, Budd, Lot #9618-040, 1950, 83-C-3 48 seat divided coach-conductor's desk-news stand:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between May and June 1950.

#2359 to T&NO #432 (1951) to SP #2220 (1961) to Amtrak and reconfigured to 32 seat coach 26 seat club lounge #3900, reconfigured in 1976 to coach lounge #3815. Retired and sold in 1981 to private ownership, later (when??) to Rail-Sea Cruises. Sold (when??) to VIA #138, to HEP #4117 (when??). Active.

#2360 to T&NO #433 (1951) to SP #2221 (1961) to Amtrak #3901. Stored in 1978 and sold in 1981 to private ownership. Current status unknown.

#2361 to T&NO #434 (1951) to SP #2222 (1961). Wrecked in 1968.

#2362 (1st) to T&NO #435 (1951) to SP #2223 (1961) to Amtrak and reconfigured to 32 seat coach 26 seat club lounge #3902, reconfigured in 1976 to coach lounge #3816. Retired and sold in 1981 to private ownership, later (when??) to Rail-Sea Cruises. Sold (when??) to VIA #136, to HEP #4116 (when??). Active.

#2363 (1st) to T&NO #436 (1951) to SP #2224 (1961) to Amtrak and reconfigured to 32 seat coach 26 seat club lounge #3903, reconfigured in 1976 to coach lounge #3817. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

6 cars, Budd, Lot #9624-040, 1950, 83-D-3 48 seat diner:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950.

#10210 to Amtrak #8060 to HEP #8526 (1981) reconfigured in 1986 to griddle diner #8559. Active.

#10211 to Amtrak #8061. Retired in 1981. Current status unknown.

#10212 to Amtrak #8062 to HEP #8527 (1981), seating reduced to 40. Active.

#10213 to Amtrak #8063 to HEP #8528 (1981). Active.

#10214 retained (1971) renumbered in 1974 to #290, later painted in Daylight colors (#800471). To UP 1996, sold in 2001 to CSRM.

#10215 to Amtrak #8064. Retired and sold in 1975 to Tuman Demolition (Joplin, MO).

6 cars, Budd, Lot #9629-040, 1950, 83-L-2 40 seat club lounge-valet room-shower-stewardess room:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950. Amtrak reduced seating to 36, used valet room & shower as crew room, and stewardess room as storage.

#2987 retained (1971) renumbered in 1974 to #291, later painted in Daylight colors (#800492). To UP 1996, sold in 2001 to CSRM.

#2988 to Amtrak #3310 to HEP Auto Train café car #8701 (1983). Stored in 1994 and listed as retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

#2989 to Amtrak #3311 to HEP Auto Train café car #8700 (1983). Retired and sold in 2002 to CVSR #8700.

#2990 to Amtrak #3312 to HEP #3117 (1981). Wrecked in 5-1994 on #87, and subsequently stored. Listed as retired in 1995. Current status unknown.

#2991 to Amtrak #3313 to HEP #3114 (1982). Retired and sold in 1995 to Royal Rail-Gold Coast Limited. Sold (when??) to Bennett Levin-Juniata Terminal Company (JTCX) #1157 and named Warrior Ridge (#800699).

#2992 to Amtrak #3314 to HEP #3113 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to private owner and located at TCRY Museum as TCRX #3113 (Nashville).

25 cars, Budd, Lot #9660-040, Plan #9522, 1950, 10RM-6DB sleepers:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between March and June 1950.

#9000 to Amtrak #2680 to HEP #2455 and named Elm Grove (1981). Retired in 2000 and leased to VIA for Northern Spirit. Sold in 2003 to VIA #2455. Sold in 2012 to Ferromex (FXE) #15006.

#9001 to Amtrak #2681 to HEP #2443 and named Walnut Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Gold Coast RR Museum (GCOX) #9001.

#9002 to Amtrak #2682. Wrecked in 1973.

#9003 to Amtrak #2683 to HEP #2445 and named Aspen Grove (1980). Wrecked in 3-1983 on #22 Texas Eagle in Texas (where??).

#9004 to Amtrak #2684 to HEP #2448 and named Oak Grove (1980). Retired in 2000 and leased to VIA for Northern Spirit. Sold in 2003 to VIA #2448. Sold in 2012 to Ferromex (FXE) #15004.

#9005 to Amtrak #2685 to HEP #2456 and named Willow Grove (1981). Retired and sold in 2001 to Reading Company Technical & Historical Society (RCTH) #2456.

#9006 to Amtrak #2686 to HEP #2449 and named Maple Grove (1980). Retired in 2000 and leased to VIA for Northern Spirit. Sold in 2003 to VIA #2449. Sold in 2012 to Ferromex (FXE) #15005.

#9007 retained (1971) reconfigured in 1977 to instrument car #251. To UP 1996, sold in 2001 to Dobas. I think this is now AAR fuel efficiency instrument car #112.

#9008 to Amtrak #2687. Retired and sold in 1976 to Brian B. Garrett-Whistle Stop Ranch (Flint, TX), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

#9009 retained (1971) renumbered in 1975 to #292, later repainted in Daylight colors (#800470). To UP 1996, sold in 2001 to Jon Clark.

#9010 to Amtrak #2688. Retired and sold in 1975 to Brian B. Garrett-Whistle Stop Ranch (Flint, TX), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

#9011 to Amtrak #2689 to HEP #2453 and named Cedar Grove (1981). Wrecked in 6-1994 and subsequently stored. Sold (when??) to Pullman Equipment Leasing Corporation (Burbank, CA). Current status unknown.

#9012 sold in 1966 to Jones Properties, rebuilt to business car, and leased to Auto Train #2 (1971-1975). Sold in 1975 to Pickens Railroad and named Edna II, later (when??) to Jackie Gleason. Sold (when??) to TCRY Museum as TCRX #103 (Nashville).

#9013 to Amtrak #2690 to HEP #2454 and named Redwood Grove (1981). Wrecked in 6-1994. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#9014 to Amtrak #2691 to HEP #2450 and named Beech Grove (1980). Retired in 2003. Current status unknown.

#9015 to Amtrak #2692 to HEP #2452 and named Orange Grove (1980). Wrecked in 11-1993 on #88, and listed as retired in 1994. Scrapped?? Current status unknown.

#9016 to Amtrak #2693. Wrecked in 1973.

#9017 wrecked in 1970.

#9018 to Amtrak #2694 to HEP #2447 and named Sycamore Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 2002 to ITAX. Current status unknown.

#9019 to Amtrak #2695 to HEP #2442 and named Cottonwood Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

#9020 to Amtrak #2696 to HEP #2451 and named Birch Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 1995 to Chuck Grisler. Sold in 2001 to Tom McOwen-Cincinnati RY Company #800736, painted in SP colors (stainless with red letterboard). Was in Seattle back in September for the 2013 AAPRCO convention train to Napa, CA.

#9021 to Amtrak #2697 to HEP #2444 and named Magnolia Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 1996 to Western Pacific RR Museum (FRRX) #2444. Sold (when??) to Friends of the 4449 (DLMX) #9021.

#9022 to Amtrak #2698 to HEP #2446 and named Cypress Grove (1980). Retired and sold in 2003 to Bennett Levin-Juniata Terminal Company (JTCX) #4940 and named Little Juniata Rapids (#800000). Outshopped in 2006 in PRR Tuscan Red.

#9023 to Amtrak #2699. Retired and sold in 1975 to Lake Shore RHS. Current status unknown.

#9024 wrecked in 1969.

Five cars, Budd, Lot #9678-040, Plan #9522A, 1950, 10RM-6DB sleepers:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between May and June 1950. Built with blunt ends.

#9025 sold in 1969 to Associated Metals (Benicia, CA).

#9026 wrecked in 1967.

#9027 sold in 1968 to Judge Roy Hofheinz-Astrodomain (Houston). Current status unknown.

#9028 sold in 1968 to Judge Roy Hofheinz-Astrodomain (Houston) and later scrapped (when??).

#9029 sold in 1967 to Associated Metals (Benicia, CA).

15 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-140, 1954, 83-C-4 44 seat chair:

Ordered in February 1953 and delivered between March and April 1954. Amtrak converted several of these chairs to center-door baggage and postal storage cars in the 1990s.

#2362 (2nd) to Amtrak #4425 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4017 (1981) to postal storage #1763 (2000). Active.

#2363 (2nd) to Amtrak #4426 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4015 (1981) to baggage-express #1726 (1996). Stored in 2003. Current status unknown.

#2364 (2nd) to Amtrak #4427 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4011 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to private ownership-Redwood Adventurer. Current status unknown.

#2365 (2nd) to Amtrak #4428 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4018 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Ringling Brothers (RBBX) #41406.

#2366 (2nd) to Amtrak #4429 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4020 (1981) to baggage-express #1727 (1997) to postal storage #1755. Stored in 2009. Current status unknown.

#2367 (2nd) to Amtrak #4430. Stored (when??) and sold in 1993 to VIA #189. Current status unknown.

#2368 (2nd) to Amtrak #4431 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4012 (1981). Retired and sold in 2002 to Grand Canyon RY (GCRX) #4012 and named Yavapai.

#2369 (2nd) to Amtrak #4432 to HEP #4649 (1980). Retired in 1994. Current status unknown.

#2370 (2nd) to Amtrak #4433 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4009 (1981) to postal storage #1762 (2001). Active.

#2371 (2nd) to Amtrak #4434 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4002 (1980) to baggage-express #1721 (1996). Active.

#2372 (2nd) to Amtrak #4435 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4004 (1980) to baggage-express #1723 (1996) to postal storage #1752. Active.

#2373 (2nd) to Amtrak #4436 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4005 (1980). Retired and sold in 2003 to MRLX and named Golden Shore (#800881).

#2374 (2nd) to Amtrak #4437 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4003 (1980) to baggage-express #1722 (1996) to postal storage #1751. Active.

#2375 (2nd) to Amtrak #4438. Retired and sold in 1976 to Brian B. Garrett-Whistle Stop Ranch (Flint, TX), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

#2376 (2nd) to Amtrak #4439 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4006 (1980) to baggage-express #1724 (1996) to postal storage #1753. Active.

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume Two: The Budd Company" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. "Amtrak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon (White River Productions, 2011)
Author:  MRLX1020 [ Wed May 21, 2014 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Updates on these coaches:

15 cars, Budd, Lot #9613-040, 1950, 83-C-3 44 seat chair:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between March and May 1950. #2364-#2376 ordered for Sunset Limited and #2377-#2378 ordered for Golden State. Amtrak converted several of these chairs to center-door baggage and postal storage cars in the 1990s.


#2367 (1st) to T&NO #440 (1951) to SP #2228 (1961) to Amtrak #4415 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4001 (1980). Stored in 1995 and sold (when??) to Rail Quest America (RQAX) #4001, leased to AOE-Montana Rockies Rail Tours, then to Alaska RR #220 (2005-2006). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4001 and named Golden Sea. Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??
Golden Sea is not Amtrak certified, no 800XXX #

#2370 (1st) to T&NO #443 (1951) to SP #2231 (1961) to Amtrak #4418 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4013 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Quest America (RQAX) #4013, leased to AOE-MRRT, then to Alaska RR #221 (2005-2006). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4013 and named Golden Surf. Does anyone know the #800xxx-series number of this car??
Golden Surf is not Amtrak certified, no 800XXX #


#2378 Golden Sand (name removed in 1965) to Amtrak #4411 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4010 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to ITAX, later (when??) to Roger Verbeeren-American Rail Excursions (Sauk Village, IL). Sold (when??) to MRLX #4010, Golden Sand reapplied, leased to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG), and assigned to Santa Cruz & Monterey Bay (#800748).
Golden Sand always owned by Mid America, ARE was marketing the car for several years, was on lease to Iowa Pacific for SC&MB start up, back in midwest now, look for it behind the NKP 765 later this summer

5 cars, Budd, Lot #9614-040, 1950, 83-BD-2 baggage-16 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950.

#3103 to T&NO #301 (1951) to SP #3103 (1961) to Amtrak #1531 to HEP #1622 (1980). Stored in 1994 and sold (when??) to ITAX, later (when??) to AOE, reconfigured to laundry-storage and named Los Angeles (#800715). Current status unknown.
Was purchased from American Rail Explorer by Bill Wherry, who had it re-trucked on a set of UP OSH disc brake trucks. Mr. Wherry passed away, and the car still sits at Burnham Shops in Denver awaiting disposition from his estate.

#3105 to T&NO #303 (1951) to SP #3105 (1961) to Amtrak #1532 to HEP #1624 (1981). Retired and sold in 1995 to Rail Journeys West (Santa Clara, CA), later (when??) to IFE Leasing in fall of 2006, leased by Mid America, named Sunset Harbor, leased to Iowa Pacific-San Luis & Rio Grande (SLRG), Vinyl Wrapped in IC Chocolate & Orange, and assigned to Pullman Rail Journeys (#800701).

6 cars, Budd, Lot #9629-040, 1950, 83-L-2 40 seat club lounge-valet room-shower-stewardess room:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950. Amtrak reduced seating to 36, used valet room & shower as crew room, and stewardess room as storage.


#2988 to Amtrak #3310 to HEP Auto Train café car #8701 (1983). Stored in 1994 and listed as retired in 1995. Current status unknown.
Sold from Amtrak to ITAX, changed hands a few times while stored, leased by Mid America, was brought out of storage for use behind NKP 765 last year as FWRHS commissary car
Author:  wilkinsd [ Wed May 21, 2014 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
I'm curious if any of the blunt end sleepers, with the streamlined cowling on the rear end have survived.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed May 21, 2014 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Thanks, MRLX1020, for all the info!

David--

I haven't found any leads on #9027, the only one of the five blunt end sleepers that wasn't either scrapped or wrecked.

Does anybody on here have a master disposition list for all the cars acquired by Roy Hofheinz for the planned Astrodomain??
Author:  etalcos [ Wed May 21, 2014 9:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
8322 was recently purchased by the Arkansas and Missouri and will be in service shortly if not already on their trains. The car had been privately owned by a gentleman in the Minneapolis area and was being kept in Dennison, Ohio.

ETA
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed May 21, 2014 9:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Thanks, ETA, for the info!
Author:  jmlaboda [ Wed May 21, 2014 10:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Quote:
#2367 (2nd) to Amtrak #4430. Stored (when??) and sold in 1993 to VIA #189. Current status unknown.


In service as VIA 4109.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Wed May 21, 2014 11:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Crossed wires again!

I had the #4109 as:

#2375 (1st) to T&NO #448 (1951) to SP #2236 (1961) to Amtrak #4423. Stored (when??) and later (when??) sold to VIA #148 to HEP #4109 (when??). Active.

So if #2367 (2nd) is #4109, then what's the current status of #2375 (1st)??

Thanks in advance.
Author:  Brian Norden [ Wed May 21, 2014 11:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Quote:
#9027 sold in 1968 to Judge Roy Hofheinz-Astrodomain (Houston). Current status unknown.


9027 was sold to Craig A. Rasmussen of Los Angeles. Mr. Rasmussen was one of the owners of Overland Rail Tours which leased the car and it was lettered with "OVERLAND" in UP-block letters on the letterboard, it retained the number 9027 and was also named "Techachapi."

Reportedly the cars sold to Judge Hofheinz by SP did not have the usual requirement that the cars not be used to carry passengers over the SP.

The car was later sold to FCM along with several other cars from the Overland Rail Tours fleet.

Mr. Rasmusssen also owned the Pullman-Standard built SP #9043, also a blunt-end car.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Thu May 22, 2014 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Thanks, Brian, for the info on #9027!
Author:  jmlaboda [ Thu May 22, 2014 3:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
It is what Mike Palmieri has in the Amtrak roster that he wrote. Unfortunately he doesn't include a retirement date and a disposition so it is likely the car was still at least on the roster when he created the file.

AMTK 4423 was converted to HEP in 1981 and rebuilt again to mail car 1763 (date unknown) which is still in use by Amtrak as a baggage car.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Thu May 22, 2014 4:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Thanks, Jerry, for the info!

That being the case, then the history of the three chairs in question looks like this:

SP #2375 (1st) to T&NO #448 (1951) to SP #2236 (1961) to Amtrak #4423 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4017 (1981) to postal storage #1763 (2000). Active.

SP #2362 (2nd) to Amtrak #4425. Stored (when??) and sold (when??) to VIA Rail #148. Current status unknown.

SP #2367 (2nd) to Amtrak #4430. Stored (when??) and sold in 1993 to VIA Rail #189 to HEP #4109. Active.

How does one acquire a copy of Mike Palmieri's Amtrak roster??

Thanks in advance.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Thu May 22, 2014 6:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Photos:

Including an update for item #17 and a correction for item #29.

1. SP #2359/T&NO #432/SP #2220/Amtrak #3900/#3815 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4117:

___1a. July 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2725726 (Richard Marchi photo)

___1b. July 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2679674 (Aivo Merimets photo)

2. SP #2362 (1st)/T&NO #435/SP #2223/Amtrak #3902/#3816 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4116:

___2a. July 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2793964 (Doug Little photo)

___2b. August 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677827 (Aivo Merimets photo)

3. SP #2364 (1st)/T&NO #437/SP #2225/Amtrak #4412/HEP #4022 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4105:

___3a. August 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677786 (Aivo Merimets photo)

4. SP #2365 (1st)/T&NO #438/SP #2226/Amtrak #4413/HEP #4016 in service as baggage-express #1709:

___4a. May 2008: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1156028 (Shawn Levy photo)

___4b. August 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3601594 (Kyle Edwards photo)

5. SP #2366 (1st)/T&NO #439/SP #2227/Amtrak #4414/HEP #4023 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4106:

___5a. August 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677792 (Aivo Merimets photo)

___5b. July 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3110439 (Richard Marchi photo)

6. SP #2367 (1st)/T&NO #440/SP #2228/Amtrak #4415/HEP #4001 in service as Mid-America #4001 Golden Sea:

___6a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3150748 (Collin Reinhart photo)

___6b. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3162194 (James McDonald photo)

7. SP #2369 (1st)/T&NO #442/SP #2230/Amtrak #4417 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4107:

___7a. July 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677796 (Aivo Merimets photo)

___7b. July 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3110780 (Richard Marchi photo)

8. SP #2370 (1st)/T&NO #443/SP #2231/Amtrak #4418/HEP #4013 in service as Mid-America #4013 Golden Surf:

___8a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3150749 (Collin Reinhart photo)

___8b. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3162195 (James McDonald photo)

9. SP #2371 (1st)/T&NO #444/SP #2232/Amtrak #4419 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4108:

___9a. August 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677802 (Aivo Merimets photo)

10. SP #2372 (1st)/T&NO #445/SP #2233/Amtrak #4420/HEP #4648 in service as postal storage #1760:

___10a. July 2009: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1557984 (Allan Williams, Jr. photo)

11. SP #2375 (1st)/T&NO #448/SP #2236/Amtrak #4423 in service as VIA Rail HEP #4109:

___11a. March 2009: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2677804 (Aivo Merimets photo)

12. SP #2376 (1st)/T&NO #449/SP #2237/Amtrak #4424/HEP #4008 in service as postal storage #1754:

___12a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3205225 (Pat Huemmer photo)

13. SP #2377 Golden Ore/Amtrak #4410/HEP #4014 in service on Grand Canyon RY as GCRX #2095 Anasazi:

___13a. October 2007: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=909027 (Kevin Painter photo)

___13b. April 2014: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3811946 (Holden Baker photo)

14. SP #2378 Golden Sand/Amtrak #4411/HEP #4010 in service as Mid-America #800748 Golden Sand:

___14a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3150746 (Collin Reinhart photo)

___14b. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3162196 (James McDonald photo)

15. SP #2362 (2nd)/Amtrak #4425/HEP #4017 in service as postal storage #1763:

___15a. April 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2498733 (Pat Huemmer photo)

16. SP #2365 (2nd)/Amtrak #4428/HEP #4018 in service as RBBX #41406:

___16a. February 2014: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3762482 (Jonathan Hinely photo)

17. SP #2366 (2nd)/Amtrak #4429/HEP #4020 as postal storage #1755 stored in 2009 later returned to service:

___17a. May 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3027623 (Curt Beal photo)

18. SP #2368 (2nd)/Amtrak #4431/HEP #4012 in service on Grand Canyon RY as GCRX #4012 Yavapai:

___18a. April 2014: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3811956 (Holden Baker photo)

19. SP #2370 (2nd)/Amtrak #4433/HEP #4009 in service as postal storage #1762:

___19a. February 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2404856 (Pat Huemmer photo)

20. SP #2371 (2nd)/Amtrak #4434/HEP #4002 in service as baggage-express #1721:

___20a. July 2009: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1675168 (Allan Williams, Jr. photo)

21. SP #2372 (2nd)/Amtrak #4435/HEP #4004 in service as postal storage #1752:

___21a. September 2010: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2275684 (G. Gerard photo)

22. SP #2373 (2nd)/Amtrak #4436/HEP #4005 in service as Mid-America #800881 Golden Shore:

___22a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3150747 (Collin Reinhart photo)

___22b. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3162181 (James McDonald photo)

23. SP #2374 (2nd)/Amtrak #4437/HEP #4003 in service as postal storage #1751:

___23a. November 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2817509 (Larry Mowery, Jr. photo)

24. SP #2376 (2nd)/Amtrak #4439/HEP #4006 in service as postal storage #1753:

___24a. May 2009: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1612688 (Matt Petersen photo)

25. SP #2988/Amtrak #3310/HEP #8701 in service as Mid-America #8701:

___25a. May 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3505612 (Rob Sartain photo)

26. SP #2989/Amtrak #3311/HEP #8700 in service as CVSR #8700:

___26a. July 2012: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3094352 (Todd Dillon photo)

27. SP #2991/Amtrak #3313/HEP #3114 in service as JTCX #1157 Warrior Ridge:

___27a. August 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2668497 (Greg Wiltsie photo)

28. SP #2992/Amtrak #3314/HEP #3113 in service as TCRX #3113:

___28a. http://www.tcry.org/images/equipment/diner_3113.jpg (B. Gaddes photo)

29. SP #3102/T&NO #300/SP #3102/Amtrak #1530/HEP #1623 in service as Quad Graphics #800650 Silver Express:

___29a. https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2300/2390875516_af88ea16ef_o.jpg (Milwaukee Beernut photo) (click once to enlarge)

30. SP #3104/T&NO #302/SP #3104/#250/UP owned by Dave Varilek in Hooper, NE:

___30a. September 2008: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2347733 (Allan Love, Jr. photo)

31. SP #3105/T&NO #303/SP #3105/Amtrak #1532/HEP #1624 in service as MRLX Sunset Harbor leased to Iowa Pacific:

___31a. March 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3398489 (Ben Margherone photo)

32. SP #9001/Amtrak #2681/HEP #2443 Walnut Grove as GCOX #9001:

___32a. January 2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20120227101416/http://www.jefflubchanskycpa.com/SP9001MIAMI-JA19-4-044-19.jpg (Jeff Lubchansky photo)

33. SP #9007/#251/UP as AAR #112:

___33a. March 2006: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=314867 (Mark Loewe photo)

34. SP #9012/Jones Properties/AUT #2/Pickens RR/J. Gleason as TCRX #103:

___34a. March 2007: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/160/416589990_9c066f6470_o.jpg (u31geb2003 photo) (click once to enlarge)

35. SP #9020/Amtrak #2696/HEP #2451 Birch Grove in service as Cincinnati RY Co. #800736 Birch Grove:

___35a. September 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3636267 (Austin Jacox photo)

___35b. September 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3640643 (Richard Olson photo)

36. SP #9021/Amtrak #2697/HEP #2444 Magnolia Grove owned by Friends of the 4449:

___36a. In Portola awaiting move to Portland: http://www.4449.com/roster/magnolia.jpg

37. SP #9022/Amtrak #2698/HEP #2446 Cypress Grove in service as JTCX #800000 Little Juniata Rapids:

___37a. May 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2529390 (Greg Wiltsie photo)

38. SP #10210/Amtrak #8060/HEP #8526/#8559:

___38a. August 2012: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3205235 (Pat Huemmer photo)

39. SP #10212/Amtrak #8062/HEP #8527:

___39a. May 2010: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2060636 (G. Gerard photo)

40. SP #10213/Amtrak #8063/HEP #8528:

___40a. April 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3469082 (Pat Huemmer photo)

___40b. July 2013: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3590441 (G. Gerard photo)

41. SP #10214/#290/UP at CSRM:

___41a. May 2011: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2560898 (Mick Nussbaum photo)

Sources:

1. Pictures located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

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Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Author:  Rainier Rails [ Sat May 24, 2014 6:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
Some Further Corrections:

1. #3106/T&NO #304/SP #3106/Amtrak #1533 planned conversion to HEP #1625 was cancelled and sold in 1984 to unknown party. Current status unknown.

2. #2988/Amtrak #3310 planned conversion to HEP lounge #3115 was cancelled, converted to HEP Auto Train café car #8701 instead in 1983. Stored in 1994 and sold in 1995 to ITAX, later to MRLX #8701. Active.

3. #2989/Amtrak #3311 planned conversion to HEP lounge #3116 was cancelled, converted to HEP Auto Train café car #8700 instead in 1983. Retired and sold in 2002 to CVSR #8700. Active.

4. #2364 (1st)/T&NO #437/SP #2225/Amtrak #4412 planned conversion in 1981 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4022 was cancelled, sold (when??) to VIA #144, later (when??) to HEP #4105. Active.

5. #2366 (1st)/T&NO #439/SP #2227/Amtrak #4414 planned conversion in 1981 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4023 was cancelled, sold (when??) to VIA #145, later (when??) to HEP #4106. Active.

6. #2367 (2nd)/Amtrak #4430 planned conversion in 1981 to HEP 40 seat ADA coach #4021 was cancelled, sold (when??) to VIA #189, later (when??) to HEP #4109. Active.

7. #10211/Amtrak #8061 was wrecked in 1981 and subsequently sold to unknown party. Current status unknown.

Source:

1. Mike Palmieri's Amtrak rosters
Author:  Topfuel [ Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: SP Sunset Limited Cars (Budd, 1950 & 1954)
5 cars, Budd, Lot #9614-040, 1950, 83-BD-2 baggage-16 bunk dormitory:

Ordered in June 1948 and delivered between June and July 1950.

#3106 to T&NO #304 (1951) to SP #3106 (1961) to Amtrak #1533. Stored Beech Grove circa 1979 due to sideswipe damage room side of car. Not converted to HEP, sold in 1984 to Terry Herweh, Cincinnati, OH. Stored at Railroad Museum of Greater Cincinnati in Covington, KY.
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