Detroit Streetcars/Trams Up For Bankruptcy Auction

Heavenrich · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:07 am **Posts:** 630

Trolleyguy wrote:

The San Pedro situation is similar to what happened to the Seattle Waterfront Trolley.

Don't forget the line in waterfront line Philadelphia, though in that case the cars weren't owned by the city.

In that case, the land became too valuable to house a trolley line.

Similar problem with the narrow gauge line in Portland, Maine.

Bob H

70000 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:24 am

Update on the Burton & Ashby car that returned to the UK here for those interested......

http://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/new ... more-16240

70000 · **Posted:** Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:57 am

The Burton & Ashby car carried its first passengers yesterday for several years - albeit on battery power...

http://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/new ... more-16940

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2876

I am surprised these trams were originally designed to be open on top, were they originally sightseeing cars? It rains in England from time to time, might be rather blustery up there.

70000 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:37 am

PMC wrote:

I am surprised these trams were originally designed to be open on top, were they originally sightseeing cars? It rains in England from time to time, might be rather blustery up there.

They were open toppers, as that was the norm back then. In addition, there were various regulations, police and otherwise, regarding having roofs on double decked vehicles - both buses and trams.

Our Ipswich car (1904) is the same...

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From memory, the ban on top deck roofs on buses in London - insisted upon by the Metropolitain Police - lasted until just after World War one !

JimBoylan · **Posted:** Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:11 am

In Manchester, England, at least, smoking was allowed "outside", that is on the open sections of a tram. For a Manchester route with a low clearance that wouldn't allow open top double deck cars, there were some single deck "California" cars, closed center section with open car seats at the ends for the tobacco smokers. An example of this may be the only preserved Manchester tram.
Source: "The Manchester Tram", by Ian Yearsley.

junior · **Posted:** Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:45 pm

Heavenrich wrote:

Trolleyguy wrote:

The San Pedro situation is similar to what happened to the Seattle Waterfront Trolley.

Don't forget the line in waterfront line Philadelphia, though in that case the cars weren't owned by the city.

In that case, the land became too valuable to house a trolley line.

Similar problem with the narrow gauge line in Portland, Maine.

Bob H

I realize the above quoted post is two years old, but there is irony in that....

BVTA was evicted from Pier 9 because of "redevelopment" of the pier itself.....Fair, as, at the time, redevelopment was taking place along Penn's landing.

Irony is, some 21 years (including 2 years since Bob's Post) later and Pier 9 is still just a dilapidated warehouse building with very little in it, just as it was 20 years ago, minus the trolleys. The piers on either side were developed, including one now being a large park.

They [BVTA] for sure have done better in Scranton, but there was potential at Penn's Landing....And even more so now that the "cover 95 project" actually seems to be going somewhere....