This is not an authoritative reply.
Because the quarry is fresh water vs the "Monitor's" salt water, the few non-metalic parts of the loco will probably need more attention than the metal, to prevent disintegration once they dry out.
In the meantime, the equipment should be in good condition. For comparison, look at the box cars in the Delaware Water Gap, and in Seneca Lake at Salt Point, N.Y. The car in the Gap sticks out of the water during a bad drought, so the roof is very rusty from being exposed to air while damp. The sides are in better condition. For something more like a steam loco, check out the Steam Shovel in Willow Springs, Millardsville, Pa. It's been down since 1929! The New Haven (ConRail) caboose also there, and the Kansas City (S.E.P.T.A.) PCC trolley car in Dutch Springs, Hecktown, PA., haven't been down as long.

Jim Boylan
Wreck Raiders' S.C.U.B.A. Club
Fairless Hilla, Pa.

Seneca Lake at Salt Point, N.Y?
what is there?
never heard of that one before..
Scot

Jim is right. The fresh water may even prove to have done little oxidation. It is the effect of salt that causes ship wrecks to flake apart. It has to do with the exchange of chloride ions. One ships, they place sacrificial plates which take up the chemical exchange before the iron does. There will be damage, but possibly very little. As everyone likes to point to, there is a small loco in New Zealand that was fished out of a swamp after many years. The lack of oxygen in the swamp reduced corrosion amazingly. Temperature is another factor. The colder the water, the less reactive it is. If the water is passing through a coal vein, then we have problems, as the sulfur content will acidify the water. Bring your baking soda.

Just an old science teacher here.

Gee, now why didn't I think of that?! I'm not stupid. 99% of my diving is done in cold fresh water, so I do know exectly what it's effects are of something left underwater. I just do not have any experience bringing something like this out of the water and since some folks here raised a concern, I figured I would look into it, even though I personally do not believe it will be much of a problem. What would be stupid would be to not do your homework ahead of time and let an artifact that you or someone else may have just spent a lot of $$$ on bringing out of the water deteriorate because you thought you knew best and were wrong. No harm in looking into it, especially since I am acquainted with the Cambrian Foundation. I admit I don't have experience in this area especially since I am more a caver than wreck raper. But I am learning.
Ryan P.

Goodmorning All as its 4:50 am here,
I found an artical in the Pottstown Mercury dated Saturday November 16, 1961.

Titeled Monocacy Quarry Closes its doors after many years.

This past Monday the Dyer`s Quarry Company closed down their operations at their Monocacy based quarry in south Monocacy Union Township, Berks County. The quarry was used for 54 years, starting in 1907 as the Schuylkill Valley Stone Company and latter through a buy out became part of the John T. Dyer Quarry Company in 1911.
They mined white stone and cut Belgian blocks for around the country.
On Monday the work crew struck a strong spring on the North end of the quarry resulting, in flooding of that end. A Dyer spokeman told the Mercury " the pumps couldn`t pump the water out quick enough to keep the quarry dry" He said. He also said " A lot of our equipment got cought up in the flooding, even our 1913 ex. Pennsylvania Railroad locomotive. " he said.
He continue to say " We had to shut down all operations at this site, This site is one of six quarries we own so its not to much of a loss. The only thing is we lost were some of our newer dumps and other quarry equipment with our old locomotive " he said. The way I understood, that the old locomotive was the only Pennsylvania locomotive of it`s kind and that they were intending to donated to Penn Central, for their locomotive collection.
Staff Reporter: Mary Pennypacker.

Leonard

Salt Point, N.Y. is about a mile North of Watkins Glen on the PRR's Northern Central, now Finger Lakes Rwy. A few feet North East of the U.S. Salt plant is an old 40 foot long roofwalk boxcar body upright in less than 30 feet of fresh water. One local legend is that it sank in the hurricane of 1937!
It's an easy shore dive IF you can get access from the salt mine property. Otherwise, its a long swim from the Captain's Quarters Motel dock, or use a boat.

interesting!
thanks Jim!
I will have to see if I can get a look at it sometime,
I drive down that way all the time..
Scot

And you wonder why we continue to view you skeptically.

Explain to us just how this article can possibly mention the Penn Central in 1961 when the merger between the PRR and NYC wasn't even proposed until January 12, 1962 and not completed until 1968.

I know the Pottstown Mercury (now the Mercury-News) exists, because I grew up in the newspaper field in central Pennsylvania and I can recognize the names of most town newspapers in the state. But, at best, this alleged article citation points to sloppiness and carelessness in your transcription or documentation, and at worst it leads us to conclude that you're fabricating fantasies out of thin air. Or else Mary Pennypacker should have gotten a later career as a psychic.

For whatever reason, you might want to remove that "historian" tagline/sigfile until you get more practice at the craft.

http://www.pcrrhs.org/

To bring us all up to date on the Quarry project.
I`m writing a letter to the Pennsylvania State Park Commission for oftaining permission to have divers dive the quarry sometine early summer. Sofar I have three pages to the letter. I have gotten reponce from 2 divers and a team of divers out of Ohio state.

The two divers are from Mississippi and Tenn.

I put the Ohio team in charge of the diving project because of their qualifications. their in charge of the water end and I`m on dry land. This whole research project will be conducted in the safest way as posible.

I`m going to get intouch with the local EMT. squad to be on standby if any thing should happen. The captain of the diving team is an RN so that helps quite abit.

This is a huge event, and I trying my best to save a pert of PRR history.

If any other divers that are fully qualified want to join, please write me, with your full name, address, phone and qualifications or if anyone wants to help out on dry land , please do the samething.

Thank you all,
Leonard.

Well tell you what Mr. know it all . you go to the Pottstown Library and look through all the micro film files and see what you can come up with.

My name might not be as famous as yours, but I have worked Damn hard on a lot of historical projects in the past and present. My spelling might not be as good as others in here, but I mean well.

I only have a High School education with some Tech School skills, But I do know the historical world. I been studing on the Schuylkill Canal for over 25 years and I been a rail fan since I was 6 years old. I know my local history. I`ve chatted with a lot of old timers that are long gone.

I have true blood ties the National Historic Site Fricks Locks Village, whitch I worked hard on getting that on the national Register of Historic Places with a few other historians and one US Conressman that I have known over 10 years.

My Fater was born there in 1929 I had a Great Uncle which was the son of the last lock keeper at Fricks Locks. I not only helped with Fricks Locks I helped to get St. Peter`s Village on too.

Now I`m helping to get Sunnybrook Ballroom on the Register.

I`m a member of the Friends of the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania located in Strasburg, Pa. I`m members with the Spring Ford Historical Society, Chester County Historical Society and spent 2 1/2 years on the East Coventry Township Historical Commission. I`ve volenteer at Valley Forge National Park, Hopewell National Park, Danial Boone Home sted, and lots more.

I`m working on starting a Video Production Company " Journey Back In Time " I have five volumes done and are for sale . The tapes are VHS 2 hours each.

Before you call me a fake , you better damn well have all the proof to back you up. I do my research before I make any plans of posting on theses forums. I`ve known about the PRR locomotive in the quarry for 10 plus years.

Len.

........... how you came up with an article with someone mentioning "the Penn Central locomotive collection" that was written in 1961. It just ain't possible.

There are lots of possible ways this error could have occured, absolutely none of which you address in your rush-to-be-offended rant. You could have mis-typed "1971" or "1981" as "1961". Maybe the article was in a scrapbook, with badly-written identification or mis-identified clippings. Maybe the cataloging of the newspaper or microfilm was faulty. Maybe you simply made a mistake and wrote "Penn Central" when you meant to write "Pennsylvania Railroad". But whatever this is, it's an error big enough to drive a train through. And the fact that you don't actually address the error itself in your reply, but attempt to defend your personal character in other ways instead, makes this even more suspicious.

But no matter what the mistake, whatever the error is calls into very serious question either the data you cited or your methodology in citing said sources. And it's errors of this sort that help us to decide whether to take you seriously or demand (as I am about to) that you post a photocopy or scan of the article in question.

ok, first of all I can`t scan the artical and if I could I couldn`t post it on here. For the vbery reason my mouse hasn`t worked for over three months. I been using keyboard only. Now the bottom of the paper is very black from the copy of the micro film. So I may a mistake big deal, I`m not perfect and don`t even tell me you are.
Also I`m sending a copy of my video tape, that I took in 1996 of the quarry to Ryan in Ohio. To give him heads up on what the quarry looks like.

I just wonder if Columbus had this much trouble with people, when he said the world was round. I`m sure he didn`t have a photocopy or a scan to show for.

Len.

I would also add that it is a good idea to remain skeptical about any stranger that is interested in doing business with you. They could be honest about their background and qualifications, trustworthy, and have a genuine interest in what you are doing. Likewise, they could be looking to scam you out of money or simply may be interested in making themselves seem useful in order to satisfy a need for friendship or some other psychological need.

Remember, you may be inclined to trust whoever offers you help - but if they cause a incident while you are working with him/her - it could seriously damage your reputation also.

This is a lesson I learned early on -

Tom Cornillie

Okay, I've done my share of microfilm reading over the years.

One, most libraries now have a method of one kind or another to either produce a photocopy or a digital copy of a microfilm's content. If the library doesn't have it, they can refer you to one that does (at the outside, in your case, you're dealing with a trip to a college in Reading).

Two, how in tarnation can one, after all the microfilm one has to go through, not even know or remember the DECADE in question? I mean, you still haven't corrected the obvious error, and you should have at least been able to tell us without looking at it what month/year's reel the article was in. Just tell us when the article really appeared, and I'll get the article in question through direct or indirect means.

Lastly, of your challenge to me to "prove" anything, it's physically impossible for me to prove a negative, except, for example, to come up and drain the quarry and exhibit no locomotive--and then I can't prove someone didn't steal it in the middle of the night with a crane. No, the burden of proof remains upon the person making the claim.