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 Post subject: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:09 am 

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I see one of the mods is back to deleting posts critical of John Rimmasch again. It’s no surprise. As a society, we seem incapable of having conversations about tough subjects that may upset some. Why should preservation bring any different results?

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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:34 am 

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The posts in question did nothing whatsoever to advance the cause of rail preservation.

Instead, it was a gloating personal attack against an individual.

No matter how much the individual may have deserved indignation, that had been beaten to death in earlier discussions.


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:51 am 

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Mr. Mitchell is 110% correct on this. Over moderation will be the death knell of this site yet.

As Kelly Anderson and others have said we need to do all possible to highlight the fact that doing substandard work on these potentially deadly machines is a serious crime and that those that do so will end up in prison.

Truth be told, Lord only knows how many other examples of Rimmasch's corner cutting there are out there. As an industry we need to keep our fingers and toes crossed that none of them result in a serious incident.

Forums such as RyPN are important tools for spreading the warning to other potential corner cutters and erasing threads on the subject is hugely counter productive.

IMHO-Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 11:56 am 

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Last I saw from a moderator was that if you don't like a post you are free to ignore it. I guess here the moderators decided for you.


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 12:45 pm 

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Don't blame this moderator. I have been busy moving a caboose! I would not have removed it, just consolidated both threads together.

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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 1:48 pm 

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co614 wrote:
Over moderation will be the death knell of this site yet.


No, posters who threaten to sue RYPN will be the death knell of the site.

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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:18 pm 
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Why are we still talking about John Rimmasch?


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:00 pm 

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Because there isn't more exciting news in the railroad preservation world...


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:09 pm 

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I imagine the posts were deleted because of the tone of the original post, as well as the various "prison" discussions. Not because of the discussion contained within regarding preventing bad actors, warnings, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:43 pm 

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Here's my two cents...even though no one asked....
He who shall remain nameless will be remembered alongside the likes of Jensen, the Gettysburg incident, etc....
This will last for the next 50+ years....
The internet, etc will see to that....
Do we remember much bad stuff that happened beyond that?
Generally, it's got to be pretty bad to be remembered much longer than that....
Bad like, Soviets, WW2, etc....
This will be plenty sufficient to probably keep him from doing any rail related work for the foreseeable future....probably the rest of his life....
I doubt that more is needed....


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:09 pm 

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wilkinsd wrote:
The irony of the pearl-clutching over this from the self-described "Mr. Troll" is delicious.

When did you get standards?


Please explain how highlighting that an individual is supposed to begin a prison sentence--regarding a case that had already been beaten to f***ing smithereens in SEVERAL earlier threads/discussions here--somehow actually advances the cause of safety in the rail preservation avocation.

You're an attorney, or at least pretend to be one--persuade me.


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:17 pm 

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Shouldn't all this be in Rail fanning ?


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:11 pm 

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Advancing the future safety within the rail preservation industry will be enhanced by doing all possible to show all concerned that substandard, corner cutting work will be discovered and harsh penalties will ensue.

The more often the sad demise of this bad actor is shown as the end result, the better.

IMHO-Ross Rowland


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:26 pm 

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eze240 wrote:
This will be plenty sufficient to probably keep him from doing any rail related work for the foreseeable future....probably the rest of his life....
I doubt that more is needed....
I'll wager a nickel (all I ever wager) that he will be employed in steam railroading in some capacity within six months of his release. P T Barnam didn't exaggerate.


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 Post subject: Re: I see we are back to deleting critical posts again.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 10:16 pm 

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co614 wrote:
Advancing the future safety within the rail preservation industry will be enhanced by doing all possible to show all concerned that substandard, corner cutting work will be discovered and harsh penalties will ensue.

The more often the sad demise of this bad actor is shown as the end result, the better.

IMHO-Ross Rowland



How about acting like a decent human being, and leading by example (doing exceptional work correctly the first time) instead of dwelling on the past. For pity sake, all this nonsense from "elders" that should friggin' know better. Onward and upward, learning from mistakes, doing the right thing. Wouldn't that be a better alternative?


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