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 Post subject: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:55 pm 

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1n 1835 the Harrisburg, Portsmouth, Mt. Joy & Lancaster Railroad was chartered, tracks completed in 1838, the line was sold to Pennsylvania RR in 1860, line abandoned in 1903 when the new mainline from Harrisburg to Philadelphia was opened through Elizabethtown. about a mile of this ROW ran through the Ironstone Ranch in E-Town. Once the track structure was gone, the ranch kept the ROW clear and used it as a private access road to the railroad freight sheds at the top of High St. When the current owners bought the 274 acre property they discovered that the 60ft wide trail running through the property was a railroad, AND the railroad that Lincoln's funeral train ran over on April 22, 1865, pulled by PENNA RR No. 331. The property owners have had track constructed on the original ROW and we will be building another 2.5 miles of track.
They purchased the beautiful Dave Kloke locomotive, the Kloke replica of the United States private coach built for President Lincoln, and a replica of the 1848 Pioneer Coach, from the first railroad to run a Westbound passenger train out of Chicago - the Galena, Chicago & Union Railroad. Kloke has an order for a combine and day coach, which he is basing on the mid 1860s Bangor & Aroostook coaches Henry Ford replicated in 1924-25 for Greenfield Village. We couldn't be more pleased or proud to operate these Dave Kloke creations.


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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:36 pm 

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I've had the pleasure of several visits to this first class operation. I highly recommend your paying them a visit when you can. Every details done beautifully.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:09 pm 

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If there is only a half-mile of the original right of way on the estate, where will the additional 2.5 miles of track be located?
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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:11 am 

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Did a living A. Lincoln ride this route with A. Pinkerton before becoming President?


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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:15 am 

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On the Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR web page https://stonegablesestate.com/harrisbur ... ter/about/ was this photo, the caption says "Lincoln Funeral Car Specs...Gauge: Double trucks allowed for operation on railroads with varying gauges (U.S. Standard Gauge was not yet in place)." Is this implying that the two trucks on each end were of different gauges, and stayed on the car all the time, with one set hanging in mid air? That wouldn't work, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
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Aaron: the additional 2.5 miles of track will be a new ROW through the property, with a loop at one end, and a wooden, gallows, Armstrong turntable at the other end. At one point the track will cross over a 450ft open deck timber trestle. At another point on the new line the train will go through a 85ft covered bridge, formerly the Herr's Mill covered bridge built in 1844, we will have harp switch stands and a wooden water tank.


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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:33 am 

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PMC wrote:
On the Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR web page https://stonegablesestate.com/harrisbur ... ter/about/ was this photo, the caption says "Lincoln Funeral Car Specs...Gauge: Double trucks allowed for operation on railroads with varying gauges (U.S. Standard Gauge was not yet in place)." Is this implying that the two trucks on each end were of different gauges, and stayed on the car all the time, with one set hanging in mid air? That wouldn't work, right?


No, the description is just poorly worded. I'v had the pleasure of viewing Dr. Wesolowski's well researched 1" scale model of this car, now in the Lincoln Museum in Springfield, IL, during its construction and the secret to dual gauge running is wide wheels with a step in the diameter at the point the flange should be for the wider gauge. When running on broad gauge, the wheel would naturally settle between the steps and stay centered on the track, or so the theory goes. I'm sure it worked well enough at slow speeds, but it must have been an exciting ride if a curve cased the wheel to jump against the actual flange.

The reason the car had four trucks on span bolsters is the same reason it was later done on heavy duty flatcars; the car builders at the U.S. Military Railroad just couldn't see two trucks supporting such a large car. It reportedly rode terribly, and eventually the Union Pacific, who came into possession of the car, re-trucked it with two conventional trucks.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrisburg, Lincoln & Lancaster RR
PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:23 pm 

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On his way to his inauguration in 1861, President-elect Lincoln gave a speech in Philadelphia, then travelled over the PRR to Harrisburg where he gave another speech. This woud be before the PRR line relocations on the Harrisburg, Portsmouth, Mountjoy and Lancaster RR to reduce curvature and grades.

The original plan was that Lincoln go directly from Harrisburg to Baltimore on the Northern Central RR, but there was an assassination plot in Maryland and Lincoln was sent back to Philadelphia on a special PRR train, then on the regular through Washington Night Sleeper of the Philadelphia, Wilmington and Baltimore and the B&O.

Thus he would have ridden the line twice before his inauguration.

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