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 Post subject: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:07 pm 

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Hello everyone, it’s time for a big LV survivors update!
My page suffered a major “upgrade” from google sites a couple years ago, which basically destroyed it. ☹
The data/text was intact, but the formatting was messed up, making the page basically unreadable.
I have now fixed it! The new updated version is now online:

https://sites.google.com/site/scotlawre ... ocomotives

I have updated the info for several locomotives up to the current time, 2024, when that info was known, however there are quite a few locomotives who’s last known info is now 10 to 20 years old! And I can’t find current info. Sadly, many times when there is no recent on-line discussion about a particular locomotive, it’s because that locomotive no longer exists to be talked about! But not always.. For example: The survivor list still currently contains four surviving LV U-boats.. the actual number might now be two! Or possibly even one. So, there is still a good amount of sleuthing to be done! And mysteries to solve. As always; comments, corrections and updates are welcome and wanted! If you know of any current info not yet reflected on the page, please let me know and I will update the list. You can reply here, or email me at sscotsman@yahoo.com
thanks!
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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:08 pm 

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Lehigh Valley 322/Canadian Pacific 7309 was talked about on Loconotes recently.

Looking at online pictures a couple of weeks back, I believe that she went into storage around 2020. She has been retired and was up for disposal on their website in recent weeks before they pulled her from sale.

https://www8.cpr.ca/snpevweb/SnP/Pages/ ... 981#Images

While she ultimately wasn't disposed of, it's probably something of interest to note on her history on your page.


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:14 pm 

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LeoA wrote:
Lehigh Valley 322/Canadian Pacific 7309 was talked about on Loconotes recently.

Looking at online pictures a couple of weeks back, I believe that she went into storage around 2020. She has been retired and was up for disposal on their website before they pulled her from sale.

https://www8.cpr.ca/snpevweb/SnP/Pages/ ... 981#Images

While she ultimately wasn't disposed of, it's probably something of interest to note on her history on your page.


Yes, in fact mentioned in RYPN Classifieds recently:
http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48162


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:15 pm 

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Thanks Leo and John! Info about 322/7309 has been updated.
- Scot


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 5:40 pm 

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CP 7309 will soon be in good hands, with a preservation-oriented organization. No, not RMNE.

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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:17 pm 

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Not a loco, but a LV "Northeast" style caboose exists in Stearns, KY at Big South Fork Scenic Railway.


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:23 am 

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I cannot speak as a first-hand witness, but Shelly Minerals 2784 is, unfortunately, almost certainly scrapped.

Per this thread. I consider the poster a reliable witness as to the railroad scene in NE Ohio.

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/ ... ?2,5489030


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:48 am 

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A YouTube video mentioned in a fairly recent Trains forum post included some mention that a locomotive 'being cut up' was ex-Lehigh Valley. IIRC this was an ex-Canadian Pacific locomotive.

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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:22 am 

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Overmod wrote:
A YouTube video mentioned in a fairly recent Trains forum post included some mention that a locomotive 'being cut up' was ex-Lehigh Valley. IIRC this was an ex-Canadian Pacific locomotive.


I think this was CP/D&H 7312 that was very recently cut up in the states along with the last MILW/SOO bandit.

Awesome work, Scot! Gives me encouragement to re-do my 38-2 page. I've already started some work.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:33 am 

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Re: 164. Citisteel site site cleared out some years ago, the unit is long gone. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:21 pm 

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There was a former LV U-Boat that worked the stone plant at Jessup, MD over 15 years ago. I remember that it was retired from that, and that the plant was also probably shut down. Anyone know if that unit survived or not?


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:35 pm 

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Thanks everyone! I just uploaded another update.
The big news of the past couple years is three LV GP38-2's scrapped. :(

LV 317/CP 7303 - scrapped at NRE in 2022
LV 323/CP 7310 - scrapped in early 2024
LV 325/CP 7312 - scrapped in St. Paul MN, June 2024

That's five total LV GP38-2's now scrapped, seven remaining.
Of the seven remaining, five operating and two OOS.

Thanks,
Scot


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:26 pm 

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Hi everyone, I'm still working on updating the LV survivors list:

https://sites.google.com/site/scotlawre ... ocomotives

Many locomotives have their current status known and updated, up to 2024, but several more have quite old data.. there are several who havent been seen in 10 to 20 years. Sadly, many times when a particular locomotive hasnt been seen by anyone for that long, and hasnt been updated anywhere on the internet, its simply because that locomotive no longer exists to be seen. :( but not always! some locomotives still have a habit of hiding out of sight, especially industrial switchers. So i'd like to try to update this group of "status now uncertain" locomotives, below are 15 of them. Mostly switchers, but im also including two C420's and all four of the still surviving LV U-boats. (presumed surviving, but not 100% certain now.) If any of these locomotives have been scrapped, i'd like to confirm that, and for any that are in fact still surviving i'd like to update that too. thanks! here are the stragglers:

EMD SW900M
LV 106
(LV 106:2)
1956 - Built by EMD using parts from traded-in EMC SW 106:1
1975- Sold to Westinghouse Electric
2002 - 2006- Operating as WAMX 804 in Cartersville GA



Alco S1
LV 117
1969 - sold to Goldkist corp.
1978 - Vulcan Materials #5789 (Geismar LA)
2009 - Moved on a flatcar from Geismar LA to the Hudson Terminal railroad in Hudson Colorado.



Alco S2
LV 150
(LV 150) (B&O 9145) (South East Coal 500)
Alco 8/42. serial #69952
2003: stored "in derelict condition" in Calla, KY - (2003)
Information from Extra 220 South, Issue #124.



EMD SW8
LV 261
(LV 261) (CR 8675) (A. Merrilees) (Papiers Stadacona #55)
1996: Owned by A. Merrilees
2003: Owned by Papiers Stadacona , Location: Lamoilou, Quebec
(Info above from 2003 edition of the Canadian Trackside Guide.)
2014: Still operating at the paper mill in Lamoilou, Quebec



EMD SW8
LV 262
(LV 262) (CR 8676) (WCOR 800) (NSHR 774) (SSDX 6735)
Was Wellsboro & Corning #800 from 2003-2007.
W&C was sold in 2007, No. 800 was not part of the sale and returned to owner North Shore.
2008: Operating with North Shore Railroad, Williamsport, PA
2008: Repainted in late 2008 into a new North Shore red and yellow scheme, and renumbered North Shore 774
2014: sold to Standard Steel, Burnham PA. to SSDX 6735



EMD SW8
LV 267
2003: Amtrak SW8 #749, parked in the rear of the Beech Grove shops, Beech Grove, IN. on shop trucks.



EMD SW8
LV 271
(LV 271) (CR 8685) (A. Merrilees) (Cando Contracting #1002)
2004: Operating with Cando Contracting. Location: Contract switching at Kosa Canada, Millhaven, Ontario (near Kingston)
Previous owners: ex-Cando Contracting #78, acquired from A. Merrilees in 1996. Info from 2003 edition of the Canadian Trackside Guide


EMD SW8
LV 272
(LV 272) (CR 8686) (CLSX, Cargill Salt, 8686)
2000: Was in McDonald, Ohio in 2000. Following info is from Steve Gerbracht, via David Baer:
"From my LTE list, here's the notes for CR 8686: cab/frame only by 1/10/98; reported on site 4/10/98, noted on site 8/30/98. (LNII 205-8); to Cargill (CLSX), Lansing NY salt mine 4/21/2000; shipped via NS-stuck in Conway L4/2000. Looks like it may have been a goner, only to be chosen for full rehabilitation."
2003: Was operating as the Cargill switcher at the Salt mine in Lansing, NY just North of Ithaca, NY. On LV rails!
2012: Update! LV 272 was listed at being at the Cargill salt plant in Lansing, NY (north of Ithaca) from 2003 to 2012.But in reality it left Lansing long before 2012 (probably before 2005) It was spotted at a Cargill Salt facility in Cleveland, Ohio in March 2011, and it is believed it is currently still operating there in 2012.


EMD SW8
LV 275
(LV 275) (CR 8689) (AMTK 750)
2011: At "Independent Locomotive Service", Bethel, Minnesota. stored, in rusty Amtrak colors.


Alco C420
LV 412
(LV 412) (D&H 412) (A&M 412) (A&M 66)
1964: Built new as LV 412
1976: To D&H 412
1987: Sold to Arkansas & Missouri, to AM 412 (stored on the A&M until 1996)
1996: Returned to operation! renumbured to AM 66, and repainted in AM corporate Red.
2013: Out of service and stored on the A&M
2014: A&M is converting number 66 in to a slug


Alco C420
LV 413
(LV 413) (D&H 413) (A&M 60)
1964: Built new as LV 413
1976: To D&H 413
1987: Sold to Arkansas & Missouri, to AM 60
1988: Repainted in to AM corporate red and in operation as AM 60
2012: Still in operation as AM 60



GE U23B
LV 502
(LV 502) (CR 2778) (WIMX 2778)
1974: Built new as LV 502
1976: to Conrail 2778
1991: Retired by Conrail
2003: Belongs to either "Transmodal" or "Pennsy Supply" (formerly Wimpey Minerals), unsure which. unit has been seen in 2003 operating in Camden, NJ yard as WIMX 2778
2006: Still operating in Camden, NJ, July 2006
2012: LV 502, as WIMX 2778, is no longer operating, stored on a siding in Camden, NJ.
2015 - January: LV 502, as WIMX 2778, is still stored in Camden NJ.



GE U23B
LV 503
(LV 503) (CR 2779) (VULX 2779)
1974: Built new as LV 503
1976: to Conrail 2779
1991: Retired by Conrail
1994: Traded to GE
2004: Operating with Tarmac Aggregates of Annapolis Jct., MD.
2022: 2779 is still operating in Annapolis Jct., MD.
2022 - December 2779 operated for the last time in December 2022. In late December 2022 it was reported OOS, with freeze damage.
2023 - January 2779 is moved from Annapolis Jct., MD to Hanover PA, stored OOS at a quarry.
viewtopic.php?t=47143



GE U23B
LV 508
(LV 508) (CR 2784) (VULX 2779) ( to RMDI 12/2/97 after traded to GE) (WIMX 2784) (Pennsy Supply 2784) (Whitestone 2784) (Lafarge 2784) (LTEX 2784) (Shelly Materials 2784)
1974: Built new as LV 508
1976: to Conrail 2784
1991: Retired by Conrail
1994: Traded to GE
2003: Operating with Pennsy Supply (formerly Wimpey Minerals, WIMX). in 2003
2003: Status change, 12/14/2003, unit is now with "Whitestone Supply" in Alliance Ohio.
2008: May 2008, unit has been sold and repainted! now operating with "Lafarge" in Alliance Ohio. kept the name "Fast Eddie"
2011: Status change, January 2011. LV 508 has been sold again, this time to Larry's Truck & Electric. She was seen lettered as LTEX 2784. LTEX could be a bad sign..a unit like 508 could be parts fodder, (old U-boats arent exactly in high demand) then scrapped! although Larry does also re-sell, re-power and lease a lot of units as well..so hopefully this is just another stage in 508's nomadic wanderings.. We will have to keep an eye on her. (2011)
2011: UPDATE March 2011 - A happy ending to the LTEX story! LV 508 was refurbished by Larry, repainted into "Ohio State colors", and sold to Shelly Materials. Shelly Materials 2784 is now operating in Linndale, Ohio. (Cleveland) (2012)


GE U23B
LV 509
(LV 509) (CR 2785) (WIMX 2785) (Pennsy Supply 2785) (Pennsylvania Lime 2785)
1974: Built new as LV 509
1976: to Conrail 2785
1991: Retired by Conrail
2004: Operating at Millard Quarry, Anneville PA, owned by Pennsylvania Lime (formerly Pennsy Supply) (formerly Wimpey Minerals) lettered as Pennsy Supply 2785.
2009: 2785 is now OOS, and is stored on a siding at Millards, PA.
2020: 2785 is still OOS and stored in Millards PA, being slowly cannibilized for parts.


thanks,
Scot


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 Post subject: Re: Lehigh Valley Railroad survivors - Updates.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 3:27 pm 

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scottychaos wrote:
Thanks everyone! I just uploaded another update.
The big news of the past couple years is three LV GP38-2's scrapped. :(

LV 317/CP 7303 - scrapped at NRE in 2022
LV 323/CP 7310 - scrapped in early 2024
LV 325/CP 7312 - scrapped in St. Paul MN, June 2024

That's five total LV GP38-2's now scrapped, seven remaining.
Of the seven remaining, five operating and two OOS.

Thanks,
Scot


Sad. For those that don't know LV 325/CP 7312 was formerly named to honor B. C. O'Brien.

He passed in June 2013.

What a privilege is was to work with and learn from Mr. O'Brien.


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