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 Post subject: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:09 am 

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Photos and press release at the link: https://fortwaynerailroad.org/2022/06/pennsylvania-railroad-passenger-cars-acquired/

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NEW HAVEN, INDIANA – The Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society has acquired two vintage Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) passenger cars from the Washington, DC Chapter, of the National Railway Historical Society (DCNRHS) to support the Indiana Rail Experience, an expansion of its popular events and programs in Northeast Indiana. Tickets to ride aboard these cars are on sale now at indianarailexperience.org.

Constructed in 1949 by the Budd Company in Philadelphia, the Collinsville Inn and Franklin Inn were originally built as sleeping cars for the PRR’s famous passenger trains, several of which operated through Fort Wayne, Indiana.

“It is very exciting to celebrate our 50th Anniversary with the purchase of these cars and we can’t wait to welcome guests aboard them later this summer,” explained Wayne York, senior excursion manager for Fort Wayne. “DCNRHS has been a long and respected partner to our organization, and we are thankful for their stewardship in preserving these cars.”

In 1963, the PRR converted the cars into traditional passenger coaches to transport visitors to the 1964 World’s Fair in New York. Later, they were assigned to commuter train service in Michigan, New York, and Maryland before they were donated to DCNRHS in 2008. Thanks in part to a 2012 Trains Magazine grant to “introduce new generations of rail enthusiasts to the history and excitement of mainline rail travel,” the cars were restored to their 1960s appearance and certified for use on Amtrak.

“Changes in the private car environment meant these two beautiful, historic cars were no longer a great fit for our business model,” said DCNRHS Chief Mechanical Officer Jim Lilly, who oversaw the rescue, restoration, and operation of the equipment. “We are pleased to have the coaches go to an organization we have worked with for many years. We are confident that they will be cared for and continue to serve as icons of railroad history, giving another generation a chance to ride. It’s rather fitting that they go to Fort Wayne, as these were built for the Pennsylvania Railroad which was once a major industry in the region.”

Since 2015, the cars have been used in special charters and excursions, including steam-powered trips operated by Fort Wayne. This year, they will enter service as part of the Indiana Rail Experience, which will offer a variety of train rides and programs for all ages in Angola, Indiana. Offering comfortable, climate-controlled interiors with rotating chairs, the set also includes ADA-compatible seating and a restroom.

The purchase was aided by First Merchants Bank with assistance from a private donor. Transportation, logistics, shipping, and assistance were provided by FMW Solutions, Norfolk Southern Corp, and the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad.

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 Post subject: Re: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:20 am 

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Yet another example of How The Do Is Done.

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 Post subject: Re: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:16 pm 

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Getting. It. Done. Thanks Kelly Lynch for the FWRHS coach update!

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Congratulations! May the seats always be filled and the waiting list be reasonable. Thanks for sharing the positive news..........mld


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 Post subject: Re: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:12 pm 

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“Changes in the private car environment meant these two beautiful, historic cars were no longer a great fit for our business model,” said DCNRHS Chief Mechanical Officer Jim Lilly, who oversaw the rescue, restoration, and operation of the equipment.


THIS is what we need to be concerned about.

So the only way that a PV works today is exorbitantly expensive "First Class" experiences, not coach travel..................


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 Post subject: Re: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:12 pm 

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These cars were convered from 21-Roomette cars without changing the window spacing. As a result, they were not "traditional passenger coaches" because every other seat row had no window. The N&W 10-6 cars converted around the same time had a similar problem.

Here are the diagrams:

P85L (21 RMT)
side: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiag ... &sz=sm&fr=

floor: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiag ... &sz=sm&fr=

P85M (N&W 10-6)
side: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiag ... &sz=sm&fr=

floor: http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiag ... &sz=sm&fr=

The P85L cars would make excellent 42 seat premium cars with their big Roomette windows

Phil Mulligan


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 Post subject: Re: Two PRR passenger cars purchased for steam excursions
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:13 pm 

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EJ Berry wrote:
These cars were convered from 21-Roomette cars without changing the window spacing. As a result, they were not "traditional passenger coaches" because every other seat row had no window. The N&W 10-6 cars converted around the same time had a similar problem.


Look a little more closely at the interior shot FWRHS supplied.

It seems that DC-NRHS reconfigured the inside seating of the cars away from "Clocker"/commuter seating capacity.


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