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 Post subject: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:25 pm 

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Posted to Danbury Railway Museum's Facebook page today at

https://www.facebook.com/DanburyRR/post ... 9883614012

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Statement By The Danbury Railway Museum Board of Directors on the Two Diesel Locomotives located on Beacon Island
As the owners of not only the two historic electric locomotives on beacon island, but also the two diesel engines, we have drafted the following statement:
Our museum's primary focus was always and is currently to rescue the two, one of a kind electric locomotives from Beacon Island.
After gaining much improved access to the site last year, thanks to The Port of Albany, we were able to assess the condition of the two diesel engines we also hold title to on the land.
We have determined the RS-3 to be too far gone to save.
We have also determined that given it's rarity, and the fact it operated in Danbury under Conrail, U25B #2510 was worthy of consideration to be saved and relocated to Danbury. We spent time securing the engine, and testing its air brakes while we waited for a move quote, and upon receiving one we are disheartened to say that at this time we will not be pursuing saving this locomotive due to the logistics of this endeavor and that is cost prohibitive.
To learn more about the electrics, and to donate to their saving please visit:
https://www.danburyrail.org/electrics


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:14 pm 

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Although you hate to hear that some "preserved" locomotives are going to scrap, it is good that they saved the electrics. There are other preserved RS3s and U25s.


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 am 

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Those two units could not have been considered "preserved" with a straight face for at least the last decade. It is more accurate to say that they "exist". Preservation is not simply letting something old just continue to hang around. Preservation is a participation sport.

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:17 am 

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Would somebody please post images of the RS3 and U25B?

Rick is absolutely right. To preserve you need to get into the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:24 am 

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Here's a couple from the AOTT page


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:53 am 

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Boilermaker wrote:
Here's a couple from the AOTT page


..... which were both taken from Danbury Railway Museum's post.

Want one more?

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:23 pm 

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Someone needs to invite that Banksy guy to come and paint some wry graffiti in it.... People will be clamoring for a chance to preserve it!


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:58 am 

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Christopher Stone wrote:
Someone needs to invite that Banksy guy to come and paint some wry graffiti in it.... People will be clamoring for a chance to preserve it!


Not that I'm a fan of graffiti, but that Lion of Judah artwork on the nose does actually look quite well done.......

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:22 am 

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Are the Type "B" trucks something which should be preserved for re-application to later projects? Very sad to pick over the victims for bones, but I always go back to the loss of the ALCO PA trucks, just when they were most needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
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Understand the statement. Hoping he can get out the electrics of the island soon

For the diesels just to look the RS3 we see she gone long time ago and for the U-boat is hard to say this but if anybody come with a plan soon this locomotive get be scrap.

Any idea or money??

If i choice where my money go i save the Canadian Pacific H16-44 8554 before this u-boat
That my choice but i hope someone came with a plan for this U25B

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:42 am 

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Hi
As for scrapping the RS-3 would be unfortunate to see it go, but the scrapping of the locomotive could bring in money to move the remaining equipment to the museum.
Yes I do agree with the other posts, the museum should save whatever they can off the RS-3, that is worth saving, and sold off.
The museum can only do so much, with what it has for money, sometimes you have let some equipment either be sold off, or scrapped, in order to preserve other equipment. Pat.


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:49 am 

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The latest project update was posted by the museum here:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... tid=qC1gEa

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11-20-2022 For Immediate Release:

The latest from Beacon Island regarding the Historic New York Central S-1 and T-3a.

It's now or never for the One of a kind S-1 and last remaining T-3a. But additional funding is now required as project costs risen significantly over the past two weeks.

Over the course of the last 6 months Beacon Island has been closed to all heavy equipment contractors pending the return of permits to the land owners. Out of respect to the land owners we have been relatively quiet about the happenings on Beacon Island.

News was given to us last month that permits were being issued, and work could resume on the property November 15th. Sometime in the last 6 months, the land owner contracted with a consulting firm to oversee the development of the property. We had been working with the land owner before the site shut down, lining up contractors, riggers, movers, and scrappers. After the consulting firm was hired by the land owner, we would have to report to them, as they were charged with completing the land development.

Scrapping of the two diesels we own, and four passenger cars (now owned by the land owner) was set to commence before the site shut-down, but was stalled due to clarification of ownership of the four passenger cars.. Three scrappers were contacted to bid on the job, costs to scrap the equipment ranged from $63,000, $26,000, $20,000 and $0.

After passenger car ownership was secured by the land owner, a scrapper was selected. And scrapping is set to commence next week, at $0 cost to the museum, with the scrapper forcing our hand and receiving all the metal, including the trucks from the two diesels.

Over the last week though, the project has taken a turn for the worse. The plan to move the electrics out over the power plant property was halted as one of the natural gas pipe- line owners did not want the weight of the locomotives going over their line buried 30 feet in the ground unless an expensive temporary bridge was built.

Removing the electrics through the existing access-way is not feasible as it goes under a railroad mainline, and the sharp incline on the other side into the parking lot of a truck repair shop makes this impossible, this was always the case. Where the historic locos currently sit is where the new access road from River Road (RT NY-144) onto Beacon Island is set to end. The consulting firm needs this area cleared of all rolling stock and rail infrastructure, so the new access road can be built and preparation to the ground started for construction of one of the buildings.

At the beginning of the month, the project was on track according to schedule.

By the end of last week the estimated project cost has increased significantly. The consulting firm has worked with us in finding an area where the locomotives can be stored until such a time they can be loaded and hauled out on the new access road, set to be completed within two months. Additional costs include cranes and matting necessary to store and later load the locomotives. We asked the consulting firm if instead of temporarily moving the engines at a cost of $230,000 we could just push them north on the rails, out of the way of construction of the access road. They said no, because they plan on rehabilitating the existing railroad right of way into a haul road for stone delivery trucks. We countered and tried to meet in the middle, by asking if we could move the engines, and scrap the rails north and south of the locomotives where they are spotted, freeing up their future haul road, and then just building a passing lane alongside the engines, and again their response was no. This multi-hundred million dollar project has been delayed six months due to a Title 78 lawsuit by local residents and permits held up. Of the 80 acres of land that will be developed, our locomotives are right in the spot where the earliest stages of construction need to occur.

At this time the cost of this project has ballooned to a point where existing donations simply can't cover it, especially if the consulting firm will also be charging us unknown storage fees. Funding this project through use of the museum surplus puts the future of our organization in great financial uncertainty, our board's number one responsibility is to keep our museum financially viable, and after us and many other organizations hemorrhaged money during the pandemic, this task has not been easy.

While we didn't create the situation where the locomotives ended up where they are now, a small group of strong-willed volunteers, and a lot of money and resources has already been expended trying to undo mistakes of the past. We want to see these locomotives saved, if not by us then so be it, we are currently working many angles to try and secure the future of the two electrics, but the iron is hottest now, and now is the time to strike as it is about to hit the fan.

Donations are still being accepted on our website. https://www.danburyrail.org/electrics


Trains posted an article covering the project this morning:

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... hreatened/


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:04 pm 

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Reading through that, I get the feeling that no one on the other side really wants to bring solutions to the table. Sounds like Danbury is trying as hard as possible to play nice and come up with plans that work for everyone and they're just getting shot down.


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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:33 pm 

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Seems to me that building a “bridge” over the pipeline is going to disturb a lot more earth than just running a train over the existing track. Maybe replace any bad ties and tamp over that area?

It almost sounds like your typical “we bought the property get your crap out NOW no we won’t help don’t care” kind of thing. But then again, I don’t know the history of the situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Danbury: RS3 Beyond Hope, U25B Cost-Prohibitive To Move
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:12 pm 

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Has any group contacted the National Guard to help move these locomotives. Have heard that some other groups around the country have had some help from the Guard units. Mostly tank units.


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