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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:05 am 

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Junk. Imagine what you could do with $250,000 and your favorite restoration project?


Depending on the project and its management, anything from have a ribbon cutting for the finished project to just paying the consultants for the studies..................


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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:30 am 

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These props are flimsy. HBO's "Last Week Tonight" with John Oliver made an elaborate model trolley layout as kind of a joke because WNEP Channel 16 in Moosic (outside Scranton) has a small outdoor layout that is in the background whenever they do the weather outside. The Electric City Trolley Museum's restoration shop is nearby, also in Moosic.

The show's producers were surprised when Scranton asked for the layout. It was in a warehouse in North Jersey and soon a trailer truck with a wrap of Scranton Transit Electromobile 505 was on its way.

The thing was flimsy. It was intended for one-time use and no truck ride to NEPA. The Museum reinforced it and now it's on display at the Trolley Museum. Indoors, of course.

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local ... 870dc51270

The lesson learned was that these things are intended for one-time use only and not usually for anything permanent.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:00 pm 

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No disrespect intended, but I think this thread has passed by the actual point of "resolution" or "insight", whatever a person might want to call it.

Pretty much everybody agrees that these props looked pretty good in the movies, but the asking price is now inflated beyond any consideration by anybody rational. UNLESS one reads between the lines... So, what if there WAS a good reason for this seeming craziness, like padding the accounts enough to leave a few slices for payola, skimming, "top money", stuffing somebody's cookie jar with greenbacks, etc ??

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:06 pm 

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We’ll…. They’re worth exactly what somebody is willing to pay for them. No more, no less. The “Buy it Now” price? Doubt it. But, who knows? I’ve seen people pay a lot of money for weirder stuff. A “whatever floats yer boat” kind of thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:44 pm 

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QJdriver wrote:
Pretty much everybody agrees that these props looked pretty good in the movies, but the asking price is now inflated beyond any consideration by anybody rational.
Per the ebay listings, the Prop engine "Jupiter" sold for $125,000 while the Prop engine "Constitution" is no longer available.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:07 pm 

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Anybody want to buy a bridge ??

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:01 pm 
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Don't forgot how most 'normal' people think it's nuts to pay into three digits for a marker lights or lantern, and their jaws will drop when you tell them how much those like us would pay for a steam builder's plate
jayrod wrote:
We’ll…. They’re worth exactly what somebody is willing to pay for them. No more, no less. The “Buy it Now” price? Doubt it. But, who knows? I’ve seen people pay a lot of money for weirder stuff. A “whatever floats yer boat” kind of thing.

Gents, you really need to look into movie prop collecting. People will pay prices for screen-used items that would stagger the imagination of some train collectors.
But really, look up how much people spent on small items from the "Titanic" production. That changed the way studios got rid of props (the "Saving Private Ryan" production sold off stacks of uniforms and small props in 40-foot CONEX boxes, something you'll never see again).
Look at what even small items from the TV re-boot of "Battlestar Galactica" went for at auction. I remember one screen-used piece of paper went for over $400!
No, these items selling for these amounts doesn't surprise me one bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:22 pm 

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Lee - Yepper, that’s pretty much what I was getting at. Some props go for prices I just don’t understand. But I don’t understand prop collecting either.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:50 pm 

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Bridge selling isn't too hard to understand.

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:24 pm 

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Looks like some more stuff is for sale.
A movie prop gon on a real flat car? Mixed trucks.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175049158791?h ... SwYfZhnXLy

A real caboose.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175039809031?h ... SwBgdhoYZr

Fake dome car top.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/175046592029?h ... Swix9hoYzd

Other misc stuff. Switch throw, semaphore, carousel.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/fillmore_and_w ... 7675.l2562

Again. No affiliation, just thought it was worth passing on. Especially since the real caboose seems like a fair price for its condition.


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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:02 am 

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UPDATE:

I spotted prop loco "Jupiter" eastbound on Interstate 40 yesterday between Ash Fork and Williams, Arizona late yesterday morning while I was en route to the Grand Canyon Railway for an NRHS Chapter meeting.

I can confirm it continued past Williams, and was not added to the collection of either the GCRY or the pending Arizona State RR Museum.


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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:19 pm 

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Jupiter and at least one car appear to have been sold to the Volo Auto Museum outside Chicago.

They have a quantity of ex movie cars so this would be a nice tie in.

https://www.facebook.com/voloautomuseum/posts/10159744898427070

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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 12:11 pm 

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Update:

For those willing to look at Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Chuggin-Along- ... 2142123716

For those unwilling:
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... is-museum/

If you get blocked by the paywall, stinks to be you.


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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:16 pm 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Update:

For those willing to look at Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Chuggin-Along- ... 2142123716

For those unwilling:
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... is-museum/

If you get blocked by the paywall, stinks to be you.


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 Post subject: Re: Fillmore and Western Prop Engines
PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 2:28 pm 

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Anybody see the Santa Fe Superintendent business car? They were asking about $195K for it....granted, it looks very nice, but no roller bearings....
It might be smaller than a regular business car, but it's still not going to be very easy to ship...


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