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Author:  linkthebutler [ Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:03 am ]
Post subject:  Southern Pacific 4-6-0 from 1880s surviving
During the weekend I was working on some research and I come around a glitch within my
database for the history of one of the oldest surviving SP locomotives around.

Mexicano del Pacifico #2 in Los Mochis Mexico.

I have TWO historys for that locomotive:

First:
4-6-0 Schenectady Dec 1880 cn1306
Southern Pacific of Arizona #25
Southern Pacific #105
Southern Pacific #1608
Southern Pacific #2018
Phoenix & Eastern #295 (1912)
Sud Pacifico de Mexico #208 (1917)
Mexicano del Pacifico (United Sugar Company) #2 (1919)

Second:
4-6-0 Schenectady 1882 cn1582
Southern Pacific of Arizona #70
Southern Pacific #150
Southern Pacific #1642
Southern Pacific #2018
Ferrocarril Cananea, Rio Yaqui y Pacifico #208
Sud Pacifico de Mexico #208
Mexicano del Pacifico (United Sugar Company) #2

I am asking here for factual data about the history of this locomotive (Alco, SP or creditable authors)

PLEASE do NOT quote some anecdot data from some online sources (donsdepot, steamlocomotive .info or chats)

Thanks!

PS The locomotive was relocated within Los Mochis in 2016. Here are some pics from the old location and the move...

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Author:  QJdriver [ Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Southern Pacific 4-6-0 from 1880s surviving
Twenty five years ago, I had the steam dome tag from this engine in my filing cabinet. I can't recall all the data, other than that it DID confirm the SPdeMexico number was #208. I have a message in to the current owner, regarding the history of #2.

What I CAN tell you is that isn't the original smokestack for MdelP #2, but rather it was removed from MdelP #4 when she was converted to oil. After awhile, the tender from #2 was transplanted to #4, because her original wood rack type tender was so long that it frequently fouled the cane trucks and trailers in the mill yard.

Not to get off topic, but the current locations for both MdelP #4 and MdelP #6 are unknown. If anybody has a crystal ball or other information source, please don't keep it a secret any longer.
Author:  nedsn3 [ Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Southern Pacific 4-6-0 from 1880s surviving
Neat old locomotive. Glad it was saved.
Author:  QJdriver [ Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Southern Pacific 4-6-0 from 1880s surviving
My source for this post is Dr. John Kirchner, author of a yet unpublished book on sugar industry railroads of Mexico, with numerous publication credits. Neither he nor I will make any claim that it is completely accurate, but it represents our best guess.

History number one seems to be somewhat correct. We have her being built by Schenectady in Dec, 1880, c/n #1306, 57" drivers, 18"x24" cylinders.

Phoenix & Eastern (Arizona Eastern) #295
SP #2018, #1608, #105
SP of Arizona #25

acquired by SP de Mexico in 1901, #208 (as recorded on steam dome tag)

acquired by United Sugar in either November 1917, OR November 1919, and entered service as MdelP #2

The original tender from MdelP #2 was taken for use with MdelP #4
The original stack from #4 was removed when she was converted to oil firing, and is now displayed on MdelP #2
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