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Author:  Dave Lamson (Ex B&amp [ Tue Nov 26, 2002 9:11 pm ]
Post subject:  4-8-4 for sale?
The following message was just posted on NERAIL.....Is this the NH&I ex-NdeM 3028? Doesn't sound right.................It says;

A friend of my brother's in PA asked me if I would post
this. He's trying to sell a 1942 Baldwin 4-8-4. He says: "1
of 5 built, 1 of 2 restorable. 4-8-4, oil fired, with
tender, We are told that it would be worth $225,000-250,000
restored. Offered at $35,000"

I gather talking to him on the phone that he knows nothing
about railroads or locomotives (he sells audio equipment).
If anybody would be interested, his name is Bill (I forgot
his last name!) of Center Valley, PA. His email address is
HTICS@aol.com and his phone is 610 865-9151.

That's all I know.

Just out of curiosity, would anyone know which RR would have
ordered an oil-fired locomotive in 1942? SP? Or would this
have been for export?

Ron Karr


gbrail@yahoo.com
Author:  Steve Schwartz [ Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
The NH&I (NdeM) 4-8-4 is an Alco, so it's not that one

schwartzsj@juno.com
Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
> The following message was just posted on
> NERAIL.....Is this the NH&I ex-NdeM
> 3028? Doesn't sound right.................It
> says;

> A friend of my brother's in PA asked me if I
> would post
> this. He's trying to sell a 1942 Baldwin
> 4-8-4. He says: "1
> of 5 built, 1 of 2 restorable. 4-8-4, oil
> fired, with
> tender, We are told that it would be worth
> $225,000-250,000
> restored. Offered at $35,000"

Well, if it helps any, The NdeM 4-8-4 at NH&I is an oil-burning Alco built in 1946......

lner4472@bcpl.net
Author:  Wowak [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
> The following message was just posted on
> NERAIL.....Is this the NH&I ex-NdeM
> 3028? Doesn't sound right.................It
> says;

> A friend of my brother's in PA asked me if I
> would post
> this. He's trying to sell a 1942 Baldwin
> 4-8-4. He says: "1
> of 5 built, 1 of 2 restorable. 4-8-4, oil
> fired, with
> tender, We are told that it would be worth
> $225,000-250,000
> restored. Offered at $35,000"

> I gather talking to him on the phone that he
> knows nothing
> about railroads or locomotives (he sells
> audio equipment).
> If anybody would be interested, his name is
> Bill (I forgot
> his last name!) of Center Valley, PA. His
> email address is
> HTICS@aol.com and his phone is 610 865-9151.

> That's all I know.

> Just out of curiosity, would anyone know
> which RR would have
> ordered an oil-fired locomotive in 1942? SP?
> Or would this
> have been for export?

> Ron Karr

All the details are about one-off from RDG 2100. Shes 1945 RDG Co, rebuild from a Baldwin 2-8-0, with design assistance from Baldwin. Shes one of FOUR remaining and arguably one of two that are near-operable. She is currently oil-fired but with a poorly designed burner that won't steam at full pressure.

mrwowak@yahoo.com
Author:  Howard P. [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
Perhaps this is Frisco 4500? The build date, oil fuel, and five in the series is about right.....

hpincus@mindspring.com
Author:  Richard [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
Maybe it's that missing Pennsy T-1 that we have all been hoping would turn up in an abandoned mill someday? Wheel arrangement is correct, if you discount a set of cylinders!
(Sorry folks, just a bit of levity.) My guess is that we are talking about RDG 2100.



glueck@maine.edu
Author:  Kevin McCabe [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 4-8-4 for sale?
> Maybe it's that missing Pennsy T-1 that we
> have all been hoping would turn up in an
> abandoned mill someday? Wheel arrangement is
> correct, if you discount a set of cylinders!
> (Sorry folks, just a bit of levity.) My
> guess is that we are talking about RDG 2100.

The ONLY two locos in J. David's bible that match this (1942 Baldwin 4-8-4) are the Tulsa (4500) and Dallas (4501) Frisco 4-8-4's.


kevinmccabe@avenew.com
Author:  Bob Yarger [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Brooklyn Bridge?
Maybe this guy could get us a good deal on the Brooklyn Bridge also.....

> The following message was just posted on
> NERAIL.....Is this the NH&I ex-NdeM
> 3028? Doesn't sound right.................It
> says;

> A friend of my brother's in PA asked me if I
> would post
> this. He's trying to sell a 1942 Baldwin
> 4-8-4. He says: "1
> of 5 built, 1 of 2 restorable. 4-8-4, oil
> fired, with
> tender, We are told that it would be worth
> $225,000-250,000
> restored. Offered at $35,000"

> I gather talking to him on the phone that he
> knows nothing
> about railroads or locomotives (he sells
> audio equipment).
> If anybody would be interested, his name is
> Bill (I forgot
> his last name!) of Center Valley, PA. His
> email address is
> HTICS@aol.com and his phone is 610 865-9151.

> That's all I know.

> Just out of curiosity, would anyone know
> which RR would have
> ordered an oil-fired locomotive in 1942? SP?
> Or would this
> have been for export?

> Ron Karr


ryarger@rypn.org
Author:  J. A. Hamilton [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Bet it is the Frisco 4500
Noticed this Ad on www.railswap.org
SALE/TRADE: Meteor 4500 - Frisco RR
Categories: Steam Locomotives
Ad Number: 2410
Date Posted: 11/17/2002
Contact: Mike Reel
City Hall - Rm 1001C; 200 Civic Center
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74103
USA
Telephone: 918-596-7233
E-Mail: Reply to Ad
Web Site: http://www.cityoftulsa.org

Description
This locomotive has its tender car attached. It is a 4-8-4 and was fueled by oil. It was under a restoration back in the 1980s by the Sunbelt RR Historical Trust, but fell short of its goal due to funding problems. It was used by the SLSF RR for passenger runs between St. Louis and San Franciso. It was donated to the City of Tulsa circa 1955. Reportedly it is restorable to operational condition, but probably will not occur due to the tremendous espense. I'm finding some interest int it, but mainly more along the donation line. The City prefers selling it, but will consider other options which would tangibly benefit the City and its citizens. Hope to hear from someone interested in it, or provide me some advice and/or leads. Thanks in advance for any consideration give to this request.


Ad on Railswap
Author:  William W. Gray [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 2:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brooklyn Bridge?
> Maybe this guy could get us a good deal on
> the Brooklyn Bridge also.....

No, I've already bought it. I was looking to buy the Golden Gate myself. I have this nice piece of Ocean Front property in Arizona to put them on.


WHITEWATER VALLEY RAILROAD
lumpy72@msn.com
Author:  dave [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 3:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brooklyn Bridge?
Isn't London Bridge already in the desert somewhere? Wierder things happen......

35K isn't too bad for a restorable complete documented 4-8-4 if asbestos abatement has been done. I don't know how much disassembly and checking out was done in the previous restoration attempt. The value of the disassembly time and rigging and any NDT results should be considered as part of the package. While we don't need another 4-8-4 all dressed up with noplace to go, if a group can't afford the lousy 35K, they have no business thinking about any sort of quality restoration program for her.

Here's hoping a responsible and realistic businesslike entity capable of planning and executing a project shows up to preserve her.

Dave



irondave@bellsouth.net
Author:  Burlington John [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brooklyn Bridge -- the fine print *PIC*
It was written that 35K is probably not bad for a restorable engine, and it isn't.

But, you might want to consider the fine print before you whip out the checkbook:

- restorable condition is a term than can be debated until the oceanfront property in Arizona is available.
- I am willing to bet the 35K price is considered to be "as is, where is. And oh, by the way, you are going to have to move it within X amount of days of sale."

I would suspect, that when you add the purchase price, moving costs, total cost of restoration to current specs, finding a place to run, and purchasing insurance (there is that nasty word again) all up, you are easily looking at a 7 figure amount.

But we can dream, can't we (when I hit the lotto, there is a Burlington Route O5 in my future!)?

Regards from San Diego,
Burlington John



Burlington Route Historical Society
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BurlingtonJohn@trainorders.com
Author:  Stephen Hussar [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: the actual London Bridge
This is preservation of sorts.
London Bridge is actually located in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.

I couldn't resist putting in a link for the similarly curious.

London Bridge
SJHussar@aol.com
Author:  Jim [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bet it is the Frisco 4500
Sounds like a good candidate for the Grand Canyon folks.

jimhollis@ev1.net
Author:  Kevin McCabe [ Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Brooklyn Bridge -- the fine print
> It was written that 35K is probably not bad
> for a restorable engine, and it isn't.

> But, you might want to consider the fine
> print before you whip out the checkbook:

> - restorable condition is a term than can be
> debated until the oceanfront property in
> Arizona is available.
> - I am willing to bet the 35K price is
> considered to be "as is, where is. And
> oh, by the way, you are going to have to
> move it within X amount of days of
> sale."

> I would suspect, that when you add the
> purchase price, moving costs, total cost of
> restoration to current specs, finding a
> place to run, and purchasing insurance
> (there is that nasty word again) all up, you
> are easily looking at a 7 figure amount.

> But we can dream, can't we (when I hit the
> lotto, there is a Burlington Route O5 in my
> future!)?

> Regards from San Diego,
> Burlington John

Actually, John, the 4500 should look pretty familiar, since it IS a Burlington O-5, basically. The WPB wouldn't let Frisco come up with a whole new design, so they took the O-5 and made only minor changes. So if you buy it and paint the number 5632 on the side, well, I won't tell anybody...


Kevinmccabe@avenew.com
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