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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 9:48 am 

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The second car in this set of MU's has the window band. Perhaps there was just something about that batch of Brewster Green that generally made it appear more bluish but then, that color just does that. #932 on the point has the correct look as picked up by the camera...


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:43 pm 

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Okay then, it's been a few pages since we've had any sort of major paint color breakthrough so...

Hey, remember Lackawanna Yellow? Can't forget that one. LOL

Anyway, fine-scale DL&W aficionado Mike Del Vecchio says the Reading and Lackawanna yellows are the same color, "lighter and yellower". Go to Page 3, second paragraph...

https://www.ncrails.com/wp-content/uplo ... -HOSAM.pdf

No doubt on my part because it actually makes a lot of sense. I guess Lackawanna Yellow is still a mystery no longer.

And it wasn't just on the cab units, either...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:58 am 

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93-24934 Borden Yellow, which does seem to possess a certain "day-glow" characteristic to it, remains a strong candidate for the Erie Lackawanna's yellow, however...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:18 am 

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For the Erie, I believe I'll shy away from 5607 Sunshine Yellow and start looking more toward the 014 Imitation Gold and New Caterpillar Yellow ochres which would put this color more in line with the NP, SP&S, B&M, and early DRG&W. Concerning the Rio Grande, it would be the exact same black/gold combo.

Yeah, Brewster Green was quite popular all over the northeastern U.S... LOL


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 8:47 pm 

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Just in case that is Borden Yellow on the EL, here's another look at it out in the sun...


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:47 pm 

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Hopefully now, I can get a fresh start with some of these dark reds and maroons. Here, I just threw the chips on top again without color correction. 72004 Chevy Truck Burgundy Maroon gets close under the corner of the number board there but there are plenty of other pictures to look at yet. That spear point on the end of the stripe is a nice touch...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:44 am 

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93-143 Maroon looks pretty good in the above photo as well. It is the one generic maroon color that's consistently been on the fleet charts for many years. 93-72004 Maroon wasn't introduced until 1953, anyway. I did adjust the chip colors for this comparison...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:45 pm 

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As to the Reading MU cars, Is that a Dick Short photo out the window of the tower at Reading Terminal?

The lead car is 832. The second car is two-tone green which are both different from the green used on the other old cars. The two-tone green was used on cars overhauled after WWII into the 1950's. The deluxe "Zeppelin" cars used on the Wall Street, Schuylkill and King Coal trains were two-tone green.

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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 7:57 pm 

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Here's where I found that photo, Phil. No additional information as to its origin is presented...

http://transpressnz.blogspot.com/2014/0 ... muter.html

Compared to the Trainmaster cab display model, the color on M.U. #800 was a little off. I'm hoping to get back down to Strasburg soon so maybe I can even check the maroon on N&W #611 if it's still there. LOL

I'm always up for looking for yet another green if you think I should but for now, I'm thinking it just may be due to potential differences over how that color was formulated over time or how it aged. I had noticed it before but not in the same picture like this one...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:09 pm 

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While I have your attention, Phil, how familiar were you with this color?... LOL


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:13 pm 

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I really didn't want to get too carried away with the dark reds and maroons right now since my winter white butt needs to be out in the sun as well so I'm saving this one for future reference. That's a sixties-vintage Cardinal Red Chevy truck there in the background...


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:30 pm 

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Here's the largest 80504 Venetian Yellow chip I have now so far in this 1956-57 Ditzco fleet book that recently showed up, second down on the right...


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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2022 8:52 pm 

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Ditzler/PPG GMC Venetian Yellow vs. DuPont Imitation Gold...


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:06 am 

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Phila Police cars were red, enough that people referred to them as "red cars"

Frank Rizzo hated the red color but the Mayor would not change it. When Rizzo was elected Mayor he promptly changed the color to blue. He had also appointed his brother, Joe, to Fire Commissioner and wags suggested waws so Joe could tell red fire engines from blue police cars.

All the RDG MU cars were delivered in the brownish green color. Cars overhauled 1945-1955 (?) were painted two-tone green (two NEW green shades) and 832 got the two-tone green. 832 got another overhaul in the 1970's (with SEPTA money) and returned to the brownish green color, or at least the version you got with 1970 pigments rather than 1930 pigments.

Rich Short was a Phila Division tower operator who took his camera to work. Out the tower window shots were his specialty. He was later a train dispatcher.

Note the 11 kV power line on the roofs of the cars and that all cars are powered with only the first and last pans up. Saves wear on the pans and wire and greatly reduces arcing. Shame you can't do it with phase breaks.

Phil Mulligan


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 Post subject: Re: Alternative Examples of the Reading's Postwar Paint Colo
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 9:58 pm 

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That 1969 Galaxie may have been from the last fleet purchase of red cars before Rizzo could go blue in '72. It appears to be a very bright red like Scarlet so I was just curious.

Did you know Mr. Short personally, Phil? Seems to me you'd need a good sense of humor if you got stuck with that name. LOL

Yeah, the Reading got its electricity from a single source so no need for phase breaks.

Here is more potential evidence the window band paint color was changed to follow that on the cab engines with a Seacrest Green and Brewster Green dual chip match on #2060 and a counterpart. This only works with these two colors...


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