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 Post subject: Re: Who will save the acela?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:48 pm 

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BigBoy 4023 wrote:
Acela is just too new still in my book to be worthy of preservation. It's akin to preserving one of the big diesels in use currently.

Robert


Seeing as the Acela is arguably the first truly successful American high speed train, it is a very worthy of preservation, regardless of how new it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will save the acela?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:21 pm 

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RCD wrote:
Amtrak getting closer to rolling out their next-generation high-speed train. The question must be asked who will preserve an acela train set?


Former Washington Post columnist Bob Levey preserved the spirit of "Acela" in these classic columns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... d0bceef8b6

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... f2d6ef7582


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:06 pm 

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o484 wrote:
Seeing as the Acela is arguably the first truly successful American high speed train, it is a very worthy of preservation, regardless of how new it is.


Many could make the case for the Metroliner instead--and have.

Getting to the issue of preservation, as pointed out above preservation of any complete trainset--from the original Zephyrs or Flying Yankee to the Metroliners, APT, HST, and Shinkansens brings about their own logistical challenges. Given that the Amfleets they were supposed to largely replace are in far more dire need of retirement, I foresee Amtrak somehow cascading down cars or trainsets to lesser NEC/Harrisburg services, which may buy us more time yet.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:29 pm 

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BigBoy 4023 wrote:
Acela is just too new still in my book to be worthy of preservation. It's akin to preserving one of the big diesels in use currently.

If we took this "too new" attitude to heart universally, most of the last of big steam, and most of the first generation diesels, would not have been saved.

UP Big Boys were all retired at around 15-18 years of age.

N&W 611 was in service less than ten years.

Alco PAs largely disappeared in about 15 years.

Baldwin Centipedes, FM C-Liners, Sharks, etc.--all ten to fifteen years, and kept alive mostly by equipment trusts.

The latter two cases may be examples of why we preserve the successful and ditch the unsuccessful.

There were people who said (and still say ) Amtrak/commuter F40PHs are "too new."

They are only "too new" to save if people, agencies, or corporations are still willing to pay six or seven figures apiece to keep them commercially operable. Nobody wanted steam in 1958. I could still find you a buyer for an F40PH at the right price and condition. An Acela, on the other hand, is going to be a difficult sell--but hardly impossible.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:03 pm 

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It has almost happened.

The most numerous production passenger diesel is the E-7. Many were still in service when Amtrak came in, but only one has been preserved. How many FTA-B's are preserved? They're "the Diesel that did it." F40's too new? Their replacements are being replaced on Amtrak.

As to Acela, a power car and a coach should suffice. Unless you have a 600 foot building for a whole train.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:26 pm 

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IRM puts those buildings up like clockwork. LOL Not that I'm suggesting preserving more than a power car & coach. And someplace back East would be preferable of course.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:15 am 

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The UP 8500 gas turbines only ran 10 years before being retired. Originally 4 had been saved. IRM scrapped two of them.

Can't compare steam to diesel or electric. Older generations could relate to steam in a way that you just can't relate to a diesel. That's way so many steam locomotives were preserved vs diesels. I do think it's odd the E7 didn't have more preserved examples.

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 Post subject: Re: Who will save the acela?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:15 pm 

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To properly represent an Acela train set you need to save four pieces: a motor, first-class car, cafe and coach. So, less than 400 feet of train. I don't think they would ever operate in preservation, which is fine. Just save them. I think that before they are completely retired they will operate in some kind of down-graded service, like Keystone service between Philly and Harrisburg, or maybe by NJT, SEPTA or MARC. They are not the failure that the HHP-8's were (one of those should be preserved as well), so I think they will have a secondary life for awhile. And I agree that an Amtrak museum would be great, but Amtrak didn't even officially support the Amtrak Historical Society that existed about 20 years ago, and in-fact wouldn't let them formally use the Amtrak name as part of their title (I forget what it was, they had to call themselves something else for business purposes, it was confusing when trying to write them a check for membership or convention booking), so I don't think you would get much support from them officially, at least.


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