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Author:  Mafarnz [ Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Looking for weight of passenger cars and trucks
Hi there. I am involved with a group in Pullman Washington that recently took ownership of the former NP/BN depot there. This depot had been privately owned, and the former owner had placed a few coaches on display on what was the platform. Now that plans are taking shape to restore the depot we are wanting to get rid of two of these coaches to expose the building, currently all that can be seen is the coaches and the roof.

We are uncertain of the exact history of the cars, but both are beveled to be Pullman Standard coaches built for Great Northern. They last saw service for Metro North. Both were gutted and converted to living and restaurant space, though both are empty currently.

Originally it was thought that due to poor condition it was thought that the cars would have to be scrapped. However a potential new home with a private individual has opened up.

This person wants to truck the cars out to their property. Of course the first question he is asked is what is the weight of the cars? In talks with him it is believed that the best method to move the cars would be to lift them off their trucks and move the cars bodies and trucks separately. So I'm wondering if anybody has any idea of how much the cars and trucks would weigh. Pictures below.

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Author:  jayrod [ Sun Sep 02, 2018 7:32 pm ]
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That's a tough one to answer without knowing the car's history and current configuration. Off the top of my head, in very general terms, a tubed out lightweight carbon steel car could weigh between 125k to 150k lbs complete. Each truck probably weighs about 14k lbs each. I'm sure others may chime in if I'm off the mark.
Author:  Peter Nicholson [ Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:49 pm ]
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Here are some actual weights of a Pullman-Standard coach built for the Illinois Central Railroad in 1949, from the as-built specification for Lot 6799, Plan 7565:

Total weight including trucks: 131,100#
Trucks, pair: 41,150#

By subtraction, the carbody would be just under 90,000#. You could probably take these values as maximums, given what you've said about the current condition of the cars. I also notice that the trucks seem have been stripped of certain items, such as brake cylinders, which would reduce their weight as well. The truck in the first photo is even missing its equalizers.

I don't know if the potential buyer already has a line on a mover, but about 11 months ago NessCampbell Crane & Rigging out of Portland, OR moved a couple of SP coaches from Yreka, CA to Tillamook, OR on behalf of the Oregon Coast Scenic, using the method you've described. Photo below is of the flatbed they used.

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Author:  Stationary Engineer [ Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:58 pm ]
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In the book "The American Railroad Passenger Car" by John White, some weights are given. He states that in the lightweight era, each truck weighed 10 tons and the carbody weighed 40 tons. In the heavyweight era, 4-wheel trucks weighed 7.5 tons and 6-wheel trucks weighed 10.5 tons.
Tom Hamilton
Author:  Lincoln Penn [ Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:49 pm ]
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One of the cars pictured has disc brakes, which would explain the "missing" brake cylinder on that particular car.

Looks like a lot of parts have gone missing from the trucks on both cars.
Author:  Mafarnz [ Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:16 pm ]
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Both cars have no brake gear whatsoever. I agree, one of the cars would have originally had disk brakes however it has nothing now. As the story goes rather than pay the crane company anything the original owner allowed them to salvage anything of value from the cars. As they sit now they have no brake gear, wheels are minimum legal thickness, and many of the bearings are taken apart or simply not there... I believe that at least one wheel set is actually a friction bearing axle sitting in an empty roller bearing box! No brass or wedges either.
Author:  John T [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:57 am ]
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What are you going to do with the little steam locomotive?
Author:  Mafarnz [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for weight of passenger cars and trucks
John T wrote:
What are you going to do with the little steam locomotive?


The Inland Northwest Rail Museum will be taking the locomotive. We gave it to them in exchange for them coming down to evaluate our equipment. Since they had experience moving their own equipment we felt they were a good source of information. We wanted the steam locomotive to go to a good home and this is a good deal for all involved.
Author:  John T [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:42 pm ]
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What is the name of the group involved with the depot.
Author:  Mafarnz [ Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking for weight of passenger cars and trucks
John T wrote:
What is the name of the group involved with the depot.


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