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 Post subject: Re: Rare bird? An outside braced CONVERTED boxcar preserved
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:56 am 

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What happened to the cars in Sand Springs, OK? Are they still around? Does anyone know the name or location of the scrap yard?

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 Post subject: Re: Rare bird? An outside braced CONVERTED boxcar preserved
PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:44 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
Well, I just found two other outside braced, converted to steel side, boxcars preserved. Well....sort of! There is a new note on the "Ahead of the Torch" Facebook site about a closed scrap yard in Sand Springs, Oklahoma where two cars are an integral part of a steel maintenance building on the property. The cars are Sand Springs Railway Company numbers 121 and 122, originally built with wood sides and converted in 1949 to steel sides, keeping the outside bracing. From the photos, it appears to me that the two cars are mounted flush on the buildings concrete floor, sans underbody parts, couplers and trucks, but I could be wrong. According to the AOTT comments, the owner of the yard passed away and then his wife died and now the daughter is left with the yard and is not sure what to do with it. The car bodies of SS 121 and SS 122 looked to be in excellent condition due to being under roof, and someone might be able to eventually determine whether there is anything else remaining of the cars "hardware".

So, two more possible "rare birds". Maybe!


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Thanks to a reference from "jayrod" on a different thread, I found a photo of Sand Springs Railway #121 mentioned in the above comment from last September:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=1456111

Don't know if the "steel maintenance building" (and the two cars) still exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Rare bird? An outside braced CONVERTED boxcar preserved
PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:35 am 

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It always amazes me that being on one thing on the internet, can sometimes lead to something else. I was on the "Steam era Freight Cars" site, which mostly deals with modelling these type cars, but which also shows prototype car photos and on occasion, mentions equipment at museums. There was a recent mention of a caboose with arch bar trucks at a place called the Oceano (California) Depot Museum. That museum was a new one on me, so I looked up the museum and, I found that in addition to the caboose, they also had a box car on the property. Took some digging on various sites, but finally got a decent photo of the car and it appears that it is an outside braced car that had its wood sides replaced with steel. Which got me to recall this old thread!

The car has no identification outside of a Southern Pacific "Sunset Lines" herald. The car is similar to a photo referenced earlier in this old thread of a car (SP MW2417) that was at a place called Schellville in California, which had disappeared. That car had roller bearing trucks applied; the boxcar there at Oceano is described as still having the old friction trucks. There was also an old in-service photo of a similar SP boxcar (SP # 114277) in this thread, and the door of both cars is obviously the same.

Not being from California, I have no idea where Oceano is located, but the museum looks pretty nice. Would like to find out some more into on the boxcar (including perhaps road number) but at least it looks like another outside braced, steel side converted boxcar, still exists!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:16 pm 

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The Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad Preservation Society has ex Ma & Pa RR tool car X-11 at Muddy Creek Forks, PA. The Ma & Pa rebuilt it from an outside braced wooden box car from a Midwest RR that was wrecked while on the Ma & Pa. It looks just like a wooden box car but with two windows on each side to allow light to enter for workmen.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 6:44 pm 

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Charlie High wrote:
The Maryland & Pennsylvania Railroad Preservation Society has ex Ma & Pa RR tool car X-11 at Muddy Creek Forks, PA. The Ma & Pa rebuilt it from an outside braced wooden box car from a Midwest RR that was wrecked while on the Ma & Pa. It looks just like a wooden box car but with two windows on each side to allow light to enter for workmen.


Charlie -

Thanks for the input. I found a photo of M&PA # X-11 and it looks like it kept its wood sides and was not given steel sides when rebuilt by the Ma & Pa. Nice car. Glad it has been preserved, but not a "rare bird" as per the thought of this particular thread.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:04 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:

Not being from California, I have no idea where Oceano is located, but the museum looks pretty nice. Would like to find out some more into on the boxcar (including perhaps road number) but at least it looks like another outside braced, steel side converted boxcar, still exists!

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Les, looked it up, it is on the coast north of LA, here is the website of the museum: https://oceanodepot.org/ It says the boxcar is "1940s vintage" but it obviously is older, they also have a caboose from a shortline.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:01 pm 

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Les Beckman wrote:
Not being from California, I have no idea where Oceano is located, but the museum looks pretty nice. Would like to find out some more into on the boxcar (including perhaps road number) but at least it looks like another outside braced, steel side converted boxcar, still exists!

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I'm by no means an authority on the SP, but it appears to be a class B-50-15 or B-50-16 boxcar from the early thirties, rebuilt with steel sides. SP had a lot of these. Here's a link to a pic: https://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp15249aso.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 8:49 pm 

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I never thought about this before, Les, but I do believe that many outside braced wooden cars owned by the International Railways of Central America had their sides replaced with steel sheet during the period when the Guatemalan and Salvadoran Divisions were under direct government control. These aren't "preserved" in the RR museum sense, but a fair number still exist and are used now and then. If I'm not mistaken, some of them are ex-Oahu RR cars --- these can be spotted by their rounded roofs.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:40 pm 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
Les Beckman wrote:
Not being from California, I have no idea where Oceano is located, but the museum looks pretty nice. Would like to find out some more into on the boxcar (including perhaps road number) but at least it looks like another outside braced, steel side converted boxcar, still exists!

Les


I'm by no means an authority on the SP, but it appears to be a class B-50-15 or B-50-16 boxcar from the early thirties, rebuilt with steel sides. SP had a lot of these. Here's a link to a pic: https://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp15249aso.jpg


Dennis -

Thanks for the link to the photo of SP # 15249. Little bit different door, but looks about the same as the car there in Oceano.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:44 pm 

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QJdriver wrote:
I never thought about this before, Les, but I do believe that many outside braced wooden cars owned by the International Railways of Central America had their sides replaced with steel sheet during the period when the Guatemalan and Salvadoran Divisions were under direct government control. These aren't "preserved" in the RR museum sense, but a fair number still exist and are used now and then. If I'm not mistaken, some of them are ex-Oahu RR cars --- these can be spotted by their rounded roofs.


Sammy -

Thanks for the info on possible IRCA converted cars. Would like to see a photo or two. I'll look on the internet to see what I can find. Too bad none are formally preserved.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:38 am 

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Les, I can scrounge up a foto or two and send them to you by regular mail. I don't have any way to post pictures here.

There are museums in both Guatemala City and San Salvador with some of these cars, it's just they aren't considered rare like they are here. You might try searching "Museo de FEGUA".

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:05 am 

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Hi All
Mr friend and I were at the East broad Top RR, last Friday,, to ride the # 16. I was doing some roaming around the property, on the trolley side of the railroad..
I happened to come across this Outside braced boxcar,, being used for another purpose.. Maybe someone from the trolley museum can give its heritage, the boxcar looks to be standard gauge... Pat
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:48 pm 

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QJdriver wrote:
Les, I can scrounge up a foto or two and send them to you by regular mail. I don't have any way to post pictures here.

There are museums in both Guatemala City and San Salvador with some of these cars, it's just they aren't considered rare like they are here. You might try searching "Museo de FEGUA".


Sammy - Checked for info on the "Museo de FEGUA" and found some photos on the internet of 2-8-0 # 34 and also number 205 which looks like it could be a 2-8-2, although I couldn't tell for sure. Engines and museum very neat and clean. Other rail equipment seen but no photos of steel sided outside braced boxcars, but I'll keep looking!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:42 pm 

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Les, You might have better luck searching youtube. I can tell you that #205 IS DEFINITELY a 2-8-2, and that if you should happen to find any video of her, #204, or #200, in which the fireman is sitting on the armrest, well, it's yours truly.

I was up on the Georgetown Loop all day today, but TOMORROW I will dig some fotos and plans up for you. (Might not make the mail until Monday...)

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