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 Post subject: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm 

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With the departure of the privately owned Saginaw Timber No.2 from Mid-Continent to its new life at the Oregon Coast Scenic, I thought a new thread would be in order. The locomotive had her first steam-up of the season on Saturday, the 19th and made first revenue runs on Sunday apparently without incident. Here's a link to a YouTube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGeBsRfflb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vip62RsAh8

And a link to a set of photos posted on Facebook. Click on the photo to see all the photos that were posted.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 4:16 pm 

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hamster wrote:
With the departure of the privately owned Saginaw Timber No.2 from Mid-Continent to its new life at the Oregon Coast Scenic, I thought a new thread would be in order. The locomotive had her first steam-up of the season on Saturday, the 19th and made first revenue runs on Sunday apparently without incident. Here's a link to a YouTube video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGeBsRfflb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vip62RsAh8

And a link to a set of photos posted on Facebook. Click on the photo to see all the photos that were posted.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater


Glad to see her up and running at her new home. I'm assuming the flatcar consist was for a photo charter?

Love the paint scheme of this engine, especially the boiler jacketing. Very classy look.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:22 pm 

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My old friend Jim Gertz took #2 back east in the 60s. I wish he had lived to see her come back to the Wet Coast. Those are not flat cars. She is pulling a side dump car, a skeleton log car, probably from the Valley & Siletz and a string of Simpson skeleton log cars.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:17 pm 

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John T wrote:
My old friend Jim Gertz took #2 back east in the 60s. I wish he had lived to see her come back to the Wet Coast. Those are not flat cars. She is pulling a side dump car, a skeleton log car, probably from the Valley & Siletz and a string of Simpson skeleton log cars.

Now, if they could get those cars loaded.....WOW!


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:34 pm 

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Some great photography really liked the still pics. Thanks for the links. Yes she looks great. Couple of very small normal items to square away, almost normal maintenance from my understanding. Rods and axles are running cool. She looks absolutely grand. That looks like a pretty good grade leaving and returning the the hanger area. What a railroad to be able to run on. My compliments to the photographer on those shots. And to Oregon Scenic for all that they have done to assist this outcome. Regards, John.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:45 pm 

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John T wrote:
My old friend Jim Gertz took #2 back east in the 60s. I wish he had lived to see her come back to the Wet Coast. Those are not flat cars. She is pulling a side dump car, a skeleton log car, probably from the Valley & Siletz and a string of Simpson skeleton log cars.


The first skeleton log car with the Pressed Steel Co. archbar trucks, I'm told, came from a private owner at Snoqualmie. I do not know the heritage of the car. The other three skeleton log cars, however, are certainly not Simpson cars. They are ex-Chehalis Western cars that were privately owned at the Mt. Rainier Railroad & Logging Museum. We loaded them with our ex-Murray Pacific Wagner "Lumberjack" log stacker. In the attached photo, I'm loading a log car wood center beam onto one of the log cars, prior to loading the whole thing onto a truck.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:10 am 

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I should also point out that two of those ex-CW log cars were used in photo charter trains at Mt. Rainier behind Polson 2-8-2 #70, therefore they now have the distinction of being hauled by both of Polson/Rayonier's extant Baldwin 70-ton, slide valve, saturated logging Mikes, and that's pretty cool. All the best to Skip and company for a job well done!

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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:41 am 

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Here is the dope on the first log car:

#501 Pressed Steel Car archbar trucks Turtleback log bunks
Pacific Car & Foundry c1928
Valley & Siletz RR #501
Dick Simpson 1981 (stored at Ashford, WA 1981-1992 then moved to Snoqualmie)

Which three CW cars did you get. I have a list of the cars at Mount Rainier Scenic (which is more that they do) and would like to update it.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:28 am 

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Here are the histories of the three surviving Rayonier 2-8-2s.

2 2-8-2 BLW 38967 12-12 18X24 44” 141,150 27,040 180
Saginaw Tbr. Co. #2 Brooklyn, WA
North Western Lbr. Co. #2 Hoquiam, WA
Polson Log. Co. #2 Hoquiam, WA 1929
Rayonier, Inc. #2 Hoquiam, WA 1948
Grand Travers Northern Corp. 03-62 (shipped 04-63)
Cadillac & Lake City Ry #2 Lake City, MI 05-65
Carl Ulrich (Kettle Morraine Ry) #2 North Lake, WI
H. S. Kuyper Union, IL 07-79
Illinois Ry Museum #2 Union, IL 06-80
Skip Lichter & others (Mid-Continent Ry Museum) North Freedom, WI 10-82
(moved to Oregon Coast Scenic RR 2017)

70 2-8-2 BLW 55355 04-22 18X24 44” 141,150 27,000 180
Polson Log. Co. #70 Hoquiam, WA
Rayonier, Inc. #70 Hoquiam, WA 1948
Maynard Laing Snoqualmie, WA 1963 (stored at Auburn, WA 1963-66)
Puget Sound Ry Historical Assn. Snoqualmie, WA (leased 1971-74)
Tom Murray (Mt. Rainier Scenic RR) Mineral, WA 1993 (under restoration)

90 2-8-2 BLW 59071 03-26 20½X28 48” 185,100 35,700 180
Polson Log. Co. #90 Hoquiam, WA
Rayonier, Inc. #70 Hoquiam, WA 1948
Oregon Memorial Steam Train Assn. Garibaldi, OR 1963
(display in Lumberman’s Memorial Park)


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:00 pm 

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Interesting to read the specs on the three Polson 2-8-2 locomotives. Interesting the #90 was built for more power yet? Had heard that the #2 and #70 were near identical twin sisters. Not sure but thought the #70 may be super heated? Corrected, #70 not super heated. Thought I just read that she is too is now back in service? Brian Wise was nice enough to share notes once we got more into the boiler of the #2 and other points of interest that were found both on the #2 and the #70 during repairs quite a while back. Congrats to those involved with the #70 past and present.

From a mechanical point of view I find this interesting. That the years of production were spread out as far as they were. But the Polson Lumber found something that worked well for them and stuck with it. I am not well versed in steam locomotives or more esoteric mechanical engineering but one of the things I find really cool in locomotive design was the use of blind drivers {engineer with seeing eye dog?}. The AT&N #401 2-10-0 had a blind driver, this loco went to JJJ and is now in the care of AOSR collection thankfully. The Polson #2 has two blind drivered axles. Being a logging locomotive this is fully understandable, but to me unique.

Couple of years ago while working with Skip we had the wheels and front/pony trucks on the frame minus the boiler and pistons. We wanted to roll the running gear around to see how things were going to shake out. So we took it out in the yard, listening for problems and checking rods and mains for any heat after rolling. The switches leading into the engine house are kind of tight. While pulling the engine I walked along side trying to hear any odd noises or see any obvious problems. To watch the running gear/frame run through those switches you would swear the locomotive could go around corners. The front and rear trucks were directing and the running gear just followed like a snake. From my understand that is how it is supposed to work. I doubt it was working that well before the overhaul began. Seems this design or similarly specced of this design was a popular locomotive. Am not sure just how many had two sets of blind drivers. Sure corners nice. Now to see the AT&N #401 in action!
Regards,John.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:24 pm 

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John Risley wrote:
I am not well versed in steam locomotives or more esoteric mechanical engineering but one of the things I find really cool in locomotive design was the use of blind drivers {engineer with seeing eye dog?}. The AT&N #401 2-10-0 had a blind driver, this loco went to JJJ and is now in the care of AOSR collection thankfully. The Polson #2 has two blind drivered axles. Being a logging locomotive this is fully understandable, but to me unique.


Regards,John.


Blind drivers could be fairly common, though a lot would depend on the railroad. They were common on logging engines, as noted, though less so on main line power.

One road that used a good number of engines with blind (flangeless) tires was the Pennsylvania. They had up to three blind axles on I-1 Decapods. M-1 and M-1a Mountains (4-8-2s) had the center two axles blind, partially to handle curves, and in a related matter, to shorten the overall wheelbase a bit.

http://www.maxcowonline.com/maxspage/sh ... 0OH%201939

http://www.maxcowonline.com/maxspage/sh ... e/location


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:47 pm 

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John T wrote:
Here are the histories of the three surviving Rayonier 2-8-2s.

70 2-8-2 BLW 55355 04-22
Rayonier, Inc. #70 Hoquiam, WA 1948
Tom Murray (Mt. Rainier Scenic RR) Mineral, WA 1993 (under restoration)

90 2-8-2 BLW 59071 03-26 20½X28 48” 185,100 35,700 180
Polson Log. Co. #90 Hoquiam, WA
Rayonier, Inc. #70 Hoquiam, WA 1948


A couple of corrections, the 70 was restored to operations quite a few years ago. She was offline for a while for some repairs, but she ran on the Polar Express runs this winter.

Also, you show both the 70 and 90 as being Rayonier 70. Should that read Rayonier 90 on the 90?


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:57 pm 

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Both #2 and #70 are standard 70-ton logging Mikes. But are saturated steam with slide valves and Stephenson Valve Gear.

#90 is a 90-ton machine. Superheated with piston valves and Walschaert Valve Gear.


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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:17 pm 

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Polson #2 of my youth. . . Lake City, MI, ca. 1968-70

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 Post subject: Re: Saginaw Timber No. 2 - Life After Mid-Continent
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:53 pm 

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Rayonier had a third 70 ton 2-8-2

38966 Std 18x24 44” 2-8-2 Wood/Coal 12/1912
Polson Logging #101
Rayonier Inc #101 1948
Scrapped 1960s

The #70 got the blind tires from the #101 in the 1970s. Note that the 101 is one older than the #2.


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