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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:43 am 
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Continuing on a theme...

I'm trying to track down the histories/whereabouts/final dispositions of SP's business car roster, including subsidiaries. Any additional info or corrections would be most welcome.

At this point, I'm not including business/service cars rebuilt from SP's lightweight revenue passenger car roster. The only lightweight included is SP #150 "Sunset".

The list also includes instruction, medical, and dynamometer cars.

For multiples, if the order number appears in parentheses after the car number, then there are multiple cars with the same number. Example:

SP #132 (1st) "Cloudcroft"

For multiples, if the order number appears in parentheses after the car name, then there are multiple cars with the same name. Example:

SP #110 "Los Angeles" (1st)

In some cases, there are multiples for both car numbers and names. Example:

SSW #1 (1st) "Dixie" (3rd)

Total of 53 Cars:

SP business car #99 "Houston" (1st) constructed in 1926 by Pullman. Amtrak registration #800222. Sold to Fillmore & Western at unknown date as FWRY #99. Located in Fillmore, CA. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers for #99, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #100 (2nd) "Airslie" constructed in 1926 by Pullman. Amtrak registration #800491. To UP via merger 9/11/1996 as UPP #100. Sold to private owner in 2000 as #100 and moved to Arcadia, CA. Sold to 2nd private owner at unknown date and moved to the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western in Star, NC, as ACWR #100. Refurbished in 2010. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers for #100, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #101 (2nd) "Rio Grande" constructed in 1926 by Pullman in Lot #4973 to Plan #3583 as 7DR sleeper "Willow Dell". Sold to SP in 1951 and rebuilt to business car #101. Transferred to MofW department for use as a boarding car. Does anyone know when the #101 (2nd) was transferred to MofW, what the SPMW number was, and the accomodation configuration/capacity? No disposition information whatsoever.

SP business car #106 "Oregon" constructed in 1926 by Pullman in Lot #4971 to Plan #3959 as 3C-2DR-8 seat lounge observation "Central Plains". Changed to Plan #3959E. Sold to SP in 1953 and rebuilt to business car #106 "Shasta" (3rd). To #106 "Oregon". Amtrak registration #800475. To UP via merger 9/11/1996. Sold in 2000 to Tri-City & Olympia Railroad as TCRY #106 in Richland, WA. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #107 "Del Monte" constructed in 1916 by Pullman for Henry E. Huntington, President of the Pacific Electric (PE) as "San Marino". To San Joaquin & Eastern. To SP as #107 "Del Monte". Amtrak registration #800270. Sold to private owner at unknown date and moved to the Allegheny Southern Railway in Roaring Spring, PA, as ASRW #6078. Sold to 2nd private owner at unknown date and moved to New Orleans. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity? Also, when owned by Huntington, did the #107 carry PE reporting marks? What was the name/number during SJ&E ownership?

SP business car #108 "Salt Lake" constructed in 1923 by Pullman as EP&SW 66 seat coach #731. To SP #1058. Rebuilt to business car #108 "Shasta" (2nd) in 1930. To #108 "Salt Lake". To MofW department at unknown date. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, the accomodation configuration/capacity, the MofW transfer date, and the SPMW number?

SP business car #109 (1st) "Shasta" (1st) constructed in 1888 (by which company?) as SP coach (car number, seats, class?). Rebuilt to business car #109 in 1927. To California State Railroad Museum at unknown date.

SP business car #109 (2nd) "Dallas" constructed in 1916 by Pullman as GH&SA coach #822 in Class 60-C-8 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1928 to T&NO business car #992 "Dallas". Transferred to SP #109 (2nd) "Dallas". Transferred to MofW department sometime in the 1960's as signal department SPMW #162. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #110 "Los Angeles" (1st) constructed in 1925 by Pullman in Lot #4923 to Plan #3521A as 10S lounge solarium observation "Monte Leone". Sold to SP in 1954 and rebuilt to business car #110. Sold to FCP in 1977. No further information. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP instruction car #112 "Instruction" constructed in 1930 by P-S as SP lounge observation (car number, seats, class?). Rebuilt to instruction car #112 in 1950. Retired in 1975. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Capacity as an instruction car?

SP instruction car #113 constructed in 1930 by P-S as SP lounge observation #2915 (seats?) in SP Class 77-O-1. Rebuilt to instruction car #113 sometime in the 1950's. Retired sometime in the 1970's. Does anyone know the rebuild/retirement dates? Lot and Plan numbers? Capacity as an instruction car?

SP instruction car #115 constructed in 1923 by AC&F as SP baggage-club lounge #2928 (seats, class?). Rebuilt to club lounge #2928 in 1937. Stored at unknown date. Rebuilt to instruction car #115 in 1955. Retired sometime in the 1960's. Does anyone know the retirement date? Lot and Plan numbers? Capacity as an instruction car?

SP business car #117 "Tucson" (2nd) constructed in 1926 by Pullman in Lot #6015 to Plan #3959 as 3C-2DR-8 seat lounge observation "Louis Frontenac". Sold to SP in 1955 and rebuilt to business car #117 "Tucson" (2nd). Sold to C&NW in 1987 as #405 "Flambeau". Amtrak registration #800557. Sold to private owner at unknown date as #405. Stored on the Wisconsin Great Northern at Spooner, WI. Relocated to Dallas in 2006. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #119 "Coast" (1st). History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP business car #120 "San Joaquin" constructed in 1917 by Pullman in Lot #4442 to Plan #2521C as 10S buffet lounge observation "San Marcial". Sold to T&NO at 12/31/48 divestiture and leased to Pullman. Transferred to SP as #8501. Withdrawn from lease in 1950. Rebuilt to business car #120 in 1951. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #121 "Western" (1st) constructed in 1904 by Pullman for Monon (original configuration unknown). Sold to SP in 1926 and rebuilt to business car #121. Retired sometime in the 1980's and donated to City of Oakland, CA. To Pacific Locomotive Association-Niles Canyon Railway in 1990. Does anyone know the Monon history of #121? Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity? Retirement date?

SP business car #122 "Sacramento" (1st) constructed in 1900 by B&S as SP diner #10043 (seats, class?). Rebuilt to business car #122 "Sacramento" (1st) in 1907. To #122 "Sierra Nevada" (1st) in 1911. To #122 "Sacramento" (1st) in 1913. To #122 "Coast" (2nd) in 1929. To #122 "Sacramento" (1st). Transferred to MofW department in 1935 and used as a bunk car (SPMW number?). To Orange Empire Railway Museum in 1958. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #125 "Coast" (3rd) constructed in 1911 by Pullman as EP&SW coach #782 (seats, class?). Rebuilt to Texas & New Orleans (T&NO) business car #981 "Beaumont" in 1929 with 2BD-1C. To #981 "San Antonio" (2nd) in 1946. To #981 "San Jacinto" (2nd) in 1955. Transferred to SP #125 "San Antonio" (2nd) in 1959. To #125 "Coast" (3rd) in 1959. Refurbished in 1955. Retired in 1958. Transferred to MofW department in 1961 and used as a bunk car SPMW #5451. Retired and sold in 1968 to Herbert and Karl Reichhold. To Railtown 1897 in Jamestown, CA. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers?

SP business car #127 (2nd) "Alamo" constructed in 1926 by Pullman as Galveston, Harrisburg & San Antonio (GH&SA) business car #999 "Alamo". Transferred to T&NO #999 "Alamo" in 1931. To #127 (2nd) "Alamo" in 1960. Transferred to SP #127 "Alamo" in 1960. Retired and sold in 1982 to private owner and moved to ranch in Houston area. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #128 "Santa Rosa" constructed in 1917 by Pullman as EP&SW business car #500. To #128 "Santa Rosa". Transferred to SP #128 "Santa Rosa" in 1924. Refurbished in 1937. Sold to Yreka Western Railroad in 1968 as YW #68. Transferred to Kyle Railways in 1993 as KYLE #13. Sold to private owner in 2004 as #415 "Niles" and moved to Redwood City, CA. Sold to Oregon Pacific Railroad in 2011 as OPR #128 "Santa Rosa" and moved to Portland, OR. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #129 "Portland". History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

CP business car #131 (1st) "New Mexico". History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP business car #131 (2nd) "Los Angeles" (2nd) constructed in 1926 by Pullman in Lot #6015 to Plan #3959 as 3C-2DR-8 seat lounge observation "Balboa". Sold to SP in 1953 and rebuilt to Northwestern Pacific (NWP) business car #1 (2nd) "Redwood" (2nd). Transferred to SP #131 (2nd) "Western" (2nd) in 1959. To #131 "Sacramento" (3rd). To #131 "Los Angeles" (2nd). Amtrak registration #800385. Sold to private owner at unknown date and moved to the Fillmore & Western as FWRY #131. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity? Retirement date?

SP business car #132 (1st) "Cloudcroft" constructed in 1917 by Pullman as EP&SW business car #506. To #132 (1st) "Cloudcroft". To SP (1st) #132 "Cloudcroft" in 1924. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #132 (2nd) "San Jacinto" (2nd) constructed in 1911 by Pullman as EP&SW coach #283 (seats, class?). Rebuilt in 1928 to T&NO business car #980. To #132 (2nd) "LaFayette" in 1928. To #132 (2nd) "Houston" (2nd) in 1946. To #132 (2nd) "Victoria" (3rd) in 1952. To #132 (2nd) "San Jacinto" (1st) in 1953. Transferred to SP #132 (2nd) "Houston" (2nd) in 1957. Donated in 1972 to Sparks Nevada Heritage Museum-Victorian Square in Sparks, NV, as the "City of Sparks". Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #133 (1st) constructed in 1917 by Pullman as EP&SW business car #507. To #133 (1st). Transferred to SP #133 (1st) in 1924. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #133 (2nd) "Guadalupe" constructed in 1912 by Pullman as SP business car #100 (1st) "Guadalupe". To #127 (1st) "Guadalupe" in 1926. Transferred to T&NO #991 "Guadalupe" in 1929. Transferred to SP #133 (2nd) "Guadalupe". Retired at unknown date. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity? Retirement date?

CP medical exam car #134 "Santa Barbara" (1st) constructed in 1899 by B&S as CP buffet lounge #3074. Rebuilt in 1926 to CP business car #102 "Santa Barbara" (1st). To CP #134 "Santa Barbara" (1st) in 1928. To CP medical exam car #134 "Santa Barbara" (1st). No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP medical exam car #135 constructed in 1910 by Pullman in Lot #3234 to Plan #2115B as SP 40 seat buffet lounge observation #1733. Sold to San Diego & Arizona (SD&A) in 1922 and rebuilt to SD&A business car #50 "Carriso Gorge" with 2BD. Went back to SP ownership in 1933 when SP bought the SD&A, which became the San Diego & Arizona Eastern, with the SD&A #50 becoming SD&AE #50. Transferred to SP as #101 (1st) "Tucson" (1st) in 1933. Rebuilt to medical exam car #135 in 1945. To San Diego County Fair in 1955. To Pacific Southwest Railway Museum as PSRM #50 in Campo, CA. Does anyone know what SP Class the #1733 was in before being sold in 1922?

SP medical exam car #136 "The Life Line" constructed in 1930 by P-S as SP lounge observation #2903 in Class 77-O-1 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1951 to medical exam car #136 "The Life Line". Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers?

SP dynamometer car #137 constructed in 1926 by Standard Steel. Retired at unknown date and donated to the California State Railroad Museum. Does anyone know the Lot? Configuration? Retirement date?

SP business car #139 "Sacramento" (2nd) constructed in 1923 by Pullman in Lot #4694 as EP&SW coach #730 (seats, class?). To SP #1057. Rebuilt in 1929 to EP&SW business car #139 "Sacramento" (2nd). Transferred to SP #139 "Sacramento" (2nd). Transferred to MofW department at unknown date as SPMW #5441. Retired in 1975. To Pacific Locomotive Association-Niles Canyon Railway as #139 "Castro Point". Does anyone know the Plan number? Accomodation configuration/capacity? MofW transfer date?

SP business car #140 "Stanford" constructed in 1927 by Pullman as #140 "Sunset" (1st). To #140 "Stanford" in 1955. Amtrak registration #800495. To UP via merger 9/11/1996 as UPP #140 "Stanford". Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers? Accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #141 "Oakland" constructed in 1928 by Pullman as #141 "New York" with 4BD. To #141 "Oakland". Amtrak registration #800490. To UP via merger 9/11/1996. Sold in 2000 to Golden Gate Railroad Museum. Refurbished in 2009. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers?

SP business car #142 "Santa Barbara" (2nd) constructed in 1914 by Pullman as EP&SW 81 seat coach #675 (class?). To SP #1052. Rebuilt in 1929 to SP business car #142 "Santa Barbara" (2nd). Retired and donated at unknown date to the City of Santa Barbara Redevelopment Agency and placed on display at the Santa Barbara depot. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #143 "Sierra Nevada" (2nd) constructed in 1914 by Pullman as EP&SW 81 seat coach #676 (class?). To SP #1053. Rebuilt in 1929 to SP business car #143 "Sierra Nevada" (2nd). Retired and sold in 1970 to Judge Rof Hofheinz for the Astro Domain development project in Houston. No further information. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP diesel instruction car #144 constructed in 1911. History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP instruction car #145. History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP safety instruction car #146 rebuilt from a coach. History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP safety instruction car #147 rebuilt from coach #1982. History unknown. No disposition information whatsoever.

SP business car #150 "Sunset" (2nd) constructed in 1955 by P-S. Amtrak registration #800486. To UP via merger 9/11/1996 as UPP #150 "Sunset". Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SP business car #151 "Pine Bluff" constructed in 1914 by Pullman as El Paso & Southwestern (EP&SW) coach #677 (how many seats?). To SP #1054 (Class?). Rebuilt to business car SP #104 "San Jose" in 1928. To St. Louis Southwestern (SSW) #104. To #151 "Pine Bluff" in 1973. Refurbished 1949. To SP #151 "Pine Bluff". Refurbished 1984. Amtrak registration #800374. Sold to private owner in 1987 as #151 and moved to Arcadia, CA. Refurbished 1998. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

T&NO business car #987 "Victoria" (1st) constructed in 1916 by Pullman as GH&SA coach #823 in Class 60-C-8 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1927 to T&NO business car #987 "Victoria" (1st). No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

T&NO business car #994 "San Antonio" (1st) constructed in 1916 by Pullman as GH&SA coach #826 in Class 60-C-8 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1928 to T&NO business car #994 "San Antonio" (1st). To #994 "Victoria" (2nd) in 1946. Transferred to MofW department in 1957 as MW #3554. To MW #479. Transferred to SPMW #5753. Retired and sold in 1962 to Houston Compressed Steel. Scrapped?? Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

T&NO business car #996 "El Paso" constructed in 1916 by Pullman as GH&SA coach #824 in Class 60-C-8 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1927 to T&NO business car #996 "El Paso". No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

T&NO business car #997 "Houston" (3rd) constructed in 1916 by Pullman in Lot #4442 to Plan #2521C as 10S buffet lounge observation "San Bernardino". Sold to T&NO at the 12/31/48 divestiture and leased to Pullman. Transferred to SP #8500. Withdrawn from lease in 1950. Rebuilt in 1951 to T&NO business car #997 "Houston" (3rd). No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

NWP business car #6 "Redwood" (1st) constructed in 1932 (by which company?). Retired and donated at unknown date to Santa Rosa depot. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SSW business car #1 (1st) "Dixie" (3rd) constructed in 1910 by Pullman as PRR parlor (car number/name and capacity?). To Pullman. Sold to SSW in 1940. Rebuilt to diner lounge #242 at unknown date. Stored. Rebuilt in 1953 to business car #1 (1st) "Dixie" (3rd). Sold to private owner sometime in the 1970's as #1 "Dixie" and moved to Landes, TX. Amtrak registration #800171. To Cotton Belt Depot Museum at unknown date as #1 "Dixie" in Tyler, TX. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity?

SSW business car #3 "The Traveler" constructed in 1905 by AC&F as SSW #3 "The Traveler" with 2BD-4S. Refurbished in 1922. Retired and sold in 1960 to Searcy Elrod-Elrod Company in Rison, AR. Sold to Bob Abbott-Abbott Enterprises in Rison. Does anyone know the Lot number?

SSW business car "The Ranger" constructed in 1901 by Pullman as SSW business car "Dixie" (1st). To SSW "The Ranger". Retired and sold in 1958 to International Paper. Later sold at unknown date to a private owner and moved to a hunting lodge somewhere in Louisiana. Sold to an unknown party at unknown date. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity? Did "The Ranger" have a number while under SSW ownership?

SSW business car "Texas" constructed in 1910 by AC&F as SSW business car "Dixie" (2nd). To SSW "Texas". Retired and sold in 1948 to unknown party. Does anyone know the Lot number, and the accomodation configuration/capacity? Did the "Texas" have a number while under SSW ownership?

SSW business car "Arklamo" constructed in 1912 by Pullman. No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accomodation configuration/capacity? Did the "Arklamo" have a number while under SSW ownership?

SSW business car #5 "Fair Lane" constructed in 1921 by Pullman in Lot #4580 to Plan #3369 as business car "Fair Lane" for Henry Ford. To Edsel Ford. Sold in 1942 to SSW as #5 "Fair Lane". Amtrak registration #800019. Retired and donated at unknown date to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. Does anyone know the accomodation configuration/capacity?

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:42 am 

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The book "Mansions on Rails" by Lucius Beebe has a photo of SP business car "Emalita" which the book says was originally built by Pullman in 1893 as the "Alexander" for the then President of the Reading Railroad, Archibald McLeod. It was apparently McLeod's personal property as he retained the car after leaving the Reading that same year, then it ended up on the SP a few years later. We have often wondered what later happened to this car.

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:29 pm 

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SP 133 (2nd) Guadalupe was sold to Craig Burroughs, now deceased, in the 1970s?. Car was on the Louisiana Midland at Jena, LA. I don't know the current location or condition of the car.
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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
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#99 Houston and #131 Los Angeles - both owned by Uncommon Journeys until late 1990's, to IFE Leasing - both currently stored but not owned by Fillmore & Western RR.

# 110 Los Angeles - repatriated from Mexico in early 2000's - private owner, stored at Gateway Rail Services in Madison, IL

# 133 Guadalupe - from Craig Burroughs to W. Kennedy - Bullpit, IL on C&IM, sold to Crown Rail - St. Louis, MO in late 1990's, stored at Gateway Rail Services until sale to
Madison RR, City of Madison, IN - moved late 2012 from Illinois to Indiana on NS.


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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:55 pm 
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Thanks to Rick, Alex, and MRLX1020 for the responses!

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Just an FYI, #106 "Oregon" was also the obs car for the 1940s Freedom Train.

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:11 pm 

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SP business car #117 "Tucson" (2nd)


This car was in Fargo, ND for a while, I assume post CNW ownership.


What is the SP car with the BIG back porch at Boone & Scenic Valley?

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:56 pm 
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Rainier Rails wrote:
SP business car #117 "Tucson" (2nd)


HudsonL wrote:
This car was in Fargo, ND for a while, I assume post CNW ownership.

What is the SP car with the BIG back porch at Boone & Scenic Valley?

-Hudson


The Boone & Scenic Valley's #85 "City of San Francisco" was constructed in 1950 by P-S in Lot #6874 to Plan #4140C as SP 10RM-6DB sleeper #9044. Of the 29 total 10-6 sleepers in Lot #6874, six (#9040-#9045) were assigned to the UP-SP-C&NW joint-operated City of San Francisco, and painted in UP Armour Yellow, Signal Red & Harbor Mist Gray. Five of these (#9040-#9044) were rebuilt with blunt ends (marker lights, wrap-around paint, etc.) for end-of-train use in 1953 to Plan #4140D. #9044 was retired and sold at an unknown date to Henry Ketcher in North Little Rock. It was later resold at an unknown date to the Boone & Scenic Valley. The addition of the rear open platform occurred sometime in the 1980's.

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:28 am 

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There is an upcoming book on the business cars of the Southern Pacific that is being worked on. The people working on it have been part of the group doing the series on SP passenger cars. I am not sure if it is part of the series or outside of the series.

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Brian--

Thanks for the info on the book!

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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
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"T&NO business car #987 "Victoria" (1st) constructed in 1916 by Pullman as GH&SA coach #823 in Class 60-C-8 (seats?). Rebuilt in 1927 to T&NO business car #987 "Victoria" (1st). No disposition information whatsoever. Does anyone know the Lot and Plan numbers, and the accommodation configuration/capacity?"

"NWP business car #6 "Redwood" (1st) constructed in 1932 (by which company?). Retired and donated at unknown date to Santa Rosa depot. Does anyone know the accommodation configuration/capacity?"

'Victoria' came to the Northwestern Pacific on 8/10/1941 as Business Car #06 'Redwood'. It was renumbered MW 211 on 11/20/1958. The car was moved in 2011 to Samoa, CA, near Eureka at the northern end of the NWP, and now belongs to Timber Heritage Association.

NWP Business Car 104 was previously Central Pacific 108, built by Harlan & Hollingsworth in 1887. Purchased by NWP 5/17/1928; sold to SPdeM 9/8/1944. The car had wood siding when purchased by the NWP. A photo in our Archive collection shows the car in Mexico with steel siding. 'Southern Pacific' is on the letterboard, and 'NWP 05' and 'Culiacan' are centered on the car side below the windows. Culiacan is the capital of Sinaloa state, in Mexico.


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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
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A correction to my previous post, and some additional information.

NWP Business Car 05 (not 104) was previously Central Pacific 108.


The NWP had two narrow gauge purpose-built business cars:
01 'Club Car'

02 'Millwood'

It also had seven standard gauge business cars:

03 'Donahue' (built for Peter Donahue, owner of the San Francisco & North Pacific Railroad, predecessor of the NWP)

04 'Sequoia' (converted from NWP coach 68)

05 (formerly CP 108)

06 (probably the 'Montesano', an open-air inspection car converted from a stock car)

06 (second) 'Redwood'

09 (NWP coach 16 converted to an air brake instruction car)

1 - 'Redwood' (second)


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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
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Hello:

The SP141 "Oakland" is from P-S Lot 6103, Private car floor plan 7137.

According to the drawing that I have it indicates that the floor plan for the car is a modified version of plan #7081.

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According to PSRM's web site, SD&A 050, SP Medical Exam 135, was built as SP Class 72-0 buffet/smoker/observation car.


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 Post subject: Re: SP Business Cars
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Thanks to Rick, Alex, MRLX1020, Lee, Hudson, Brian, Mike, David, and Jim for the responses!

Over on the "Heavyweight Observation Car" thread, Jerry LaBoda posted information regarding SP #110 "Los Angeles" and #112 "Instruction":

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=31717

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