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Author:  GHenma Saotome [ Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  WWII Pullman Troop Sleepers

Was the original draft gear for thee cars typical of freight equipment of the day (as the overall design was basically a 50ft boxcar) or was it of a type typical of other passenger train equipment?

Author:  Rick Rowlands [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:42 am ]
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Pretty sure it was standard freight car draft gear.

Author:  Bobharbison [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:27 pm ]
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I think so well, and anyone who's ridden in one will tell you that they're Pullman in name only.

Author:  ted66 [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:04 pm ]
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There seem to be a number of them around; but very few are still in their WWII passenger configuration. They seem to be used for storage in the museums.

I read about one being restored a while back but do not recall which museum it is in.

Ted66

Author:  Rick Rowlands [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:43 pm ]
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Mad River & NKP Railroad Museum has one that is fully restored with bunks. We have two here in Youngstown. Next time I go over there I'll take a gander at the draft gear.

Author:  Dennis Storzek [ Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:36 pm ]
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It might be worth noting that draft gear is both replaceable and interchangeable, so what is under the cars today may well not be what they were built with. I seem to recall that these were Pullman built cars, at least some of them. An inquiry to the Pullman Library at IRM would probably unearth the original specifications, which would state exactly what make and model of draft gear was used, further research would then show if it was a model commonly used under freight or passenger cars.

As for "cushioning", cushioned draft gear is a more modern invention, dating from the sixties. In the WWII era, even passenger cars used some form of friction draft gear.

Author:  Les Beckman [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:17 am ]
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Dennis Storzek wrote:
I seem to recall that these were Pullman built cars, at least some of them.


Dennis -

I believe that all of the Pullman Troop Sleepers were built by Pullman at their Michigan City, Indiana plant.

The Kitchen Cars were built elsewhere and I don't recall the builder.


Les

Author:  k5ahudson [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:31 am ]
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Les Beckman wrote:
I believe that all of the Pullman Troop Sleepers were built by Pullman at their Michigan City, Indiana plant.
The Kitchen Cars were built elsewhere and I don't recall the builder.

Correct. The kitchen cars were built by American Car and Foundry.

Author:  Bobharbison [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:55 pm ]
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Les Beckman wrote:
Dennis Storzek wrote:
I seem to recall that these were Pullman built cars, at least some of them.


Dennis -

I believe that all of the Pullman Troop Sleepers were built by Pullman at their Michigan City, Indiana plant.

The Kitchen Cars were built elsewhere and I don't recall the builder.


Les


You're correct, and to clarify, my "Pullman in name only" comment was in reference to ride quality and comfort level, not the actual manufacturer. My understanding is that Pullman did run them as well as they could, and tried for quality, but what's essentially a boxcar just doesn't ride as well as a 6 axle heavyweight.

Author:  Alexander D. Mitchell IV [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:02 pm ]
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"Genma Saotome"

Yes, at least one bloke here is enough of a nerd to see through THAT alias, Papa Panda.

Author:  GHenma Saotome [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:11 pm ]
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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
"Genma Saotome"

Yes, at least one bloke here is enough of a nerd to see through THAT alias, Papa Panda.


Hardly anyone does. It seemed a suitable label when adopted given the unexpected early retirement due to job offshoring. The inappropriate H in the user name is fat fingers and not noticing in time.



Everyone else, thank you for your replies... I suspected the draft gear was unlikely to oriented towards smoothing away buff and draft forces and while not exactly confirming that it certainly seems to be the expectation of everyone here which is good enough for me.

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