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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:06 pm 

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Sadly there is some blame to be placed on the current RR mgmt in this whole mess. For years....yes, YEARS, they sat back and didn't confront the pure BS that was freely flowing from such names as Goodwin, Beamish, Thompson, Keet, Rolf, McCulley, Frenette, etc....all of the usual ARTA clan. The ARTA cronies declared open warfare on anyone who was anything remotely pro-rail, and spent all of their time spreading falsehoods and pure bunk against the corridor and the ASRR itself. And what did the ASRR do for a long time while all this was happening?

Nothing.

Tony Goodwin is a prime example. There are way too many times to mention when he would post up long winded write-ups that were either bloated against the RR or just plain out and out wrong, and he would be confronted on them and debunked. He would then shut up for a bit, only to come back a few weeks later and repeat the process. If I wanted to, I could find links to some of the 'debunks' if I wanted to, but it's just not worth it. Even up until a few weeks ago, Goodwin was quote on a Facebook posting as saying "Don't make stuff up, it doesn't help the debate." A more irony-laden comment considering the source has never been spoken.

When all is said and done, the ARTA group had the right friends in the right places with the right "numbers". It makes no difference how off they were or how illegal their whole scheme was (yes, the RR *won* in court....which now seems like a pointless bit of info.) See the picture attached here? Posted by one ARTA member, featuring another posing with a "friend" who just happens to be The Gov. Funny how he wasn't captioned. At one time, Scott Thompson was confronted with the fact that this picture existed, saying that "[He] would LOVE to see that", implying that I was making it up. A picture is worth a thousand words....

And all of that time only up until the last year or so, the ASRR shunned the battle and kept quiet and didn't defend itself.

It didn't have to happen this way.......but it did.

And to bring us into current times, NY State is financially broke, especially after the Covid issues. Can anyone figure out how the State is going to legitimize building this trail?


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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:26 am 

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They'll justify it somehow, since the man behind the entire project to get the rails lifted is a major campaign donor for the current administration.

What will be interesting is the long speculated phase 2, ending it as a travel corridor entirely in order to get people out of his woods, after duping trail advocates, local communities, and snowmobilers to support the initial campaign to get the rails removed.

I don't think it will happen overnight, but I foresee drama in 10-15 years if the man is still kicking with a campaign portraying this trail as a violation of various protections to the Adirondacks and a push to return it to nature.


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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:58 am 

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Another recent example of the pure venom and hatred coming from ARTA, in this case long-time and well-known BS artist and snowmobile club leader Jim McCulley.

This (again) is the kind of attack that the RR has had to deal with for YEARS, and they did nothing against it.


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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:23 pm 

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Interesting. B&E to get those photos? Trespassing? And then you post it on Facebook? Interesting....

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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:14 am 

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Apparently, with seemingly no fanfare whatsoever, the Adirondack Scenic Railroad has changed their name and logo on their Facebook page to drop the word 'scenic' from their title.

I'm kinda shaking my head at this one...


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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:38 am 

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This has to be hands down the stupidest marketing decision in the railroad's history. Why take the name "Scenic" out of the name of a scenic railroad? Now it just sounds generic. Maybe the powers-that-be figure that since they will never reach the High Peaks region that they can't call themselves "scenic" anymore. 26 years of brand building out the window over "simplicity". You want to change the logo? Fine. Logos change all the time. The new one isn't as good as the old one but it isn't bad either. But changing the name is just plain stupid.

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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:03 pm 

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I'm wondering if there's not some campaign finance issues for the governor here....
Did those guys individually donate or as a group, etc....did they lie about it,etc?...
Nothing would turn the tables quicker than a scandal the gov wants hide...


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 Post subject: Re: Adirondack Park Agency oks scrapping RR line to Lake Pla
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:57 am 

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Apparently, based on the ASRR Facebook pages, their page for the "Adirondack Railbike Adventures" has now been changed to the "Adirondack SCENIC Railbike Adventures". Seriously. You can't make this up.

I guess we now see where their priorities are.


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