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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:37 am 

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softwerkslex wrote:
Yup, my vote is to put the money into existing iron. There are so many objects that are real and in front of us right now that need attention, the idea of devoting huge resources to this long shot does not impress me.

In Britain, they basically don't have any engines left to restore. So they built a new one to absorb their cash.

Which makes me wonder, can't we get those guys to take on sponsorship of an American project?


Are you asking for the Brits to build, and run, an American locomotive in the UK?

Simply put, they'd be restricted to small American steam due to clearances and weight. Even a NYC Hudson would be too big for some of their tunnels and bridges.


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:38 pm 

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I think the bigger challenge is ignorance, or at least misunderstanding.

softwerkslex wrote:
In Britain, they basically don't have any engines left to restore. So they built a new one to absorb their cash.

Completely untrue. Their sidings and back lots are full of unrestored hulks, a great many from Woodhams in Barry. Many have been reduced to piles of spares--and for some, that was really the only plan for them. On the other hand, some "parts sources" have, indeed, been subsequently restored to service.

The problem is/was that too many of the "Barry Miracle" hulks are the same GWR, SR, LMS, and/or BR designs repeated, with virtually no representation of the LNER designs. It's comparable to having a dozen PRR Consolidations, ten PRR K4s's, three M1a's, six PRR 0-6-0's, five G5s's, two E6s's, three I1s's, five L1s Mikados, two T1's, a couple Lehigh Valley, Lackawanna, and Erie steam locos to boot........ and no NYC or Reading locos. You don't think that, in that kind of scenario, there wouldn't still be demand to build a NYC Hudson or Niagara or Reading Pacific, especially if there were a PRR-successor main line steam program running throughout the Northeast on NS or CSX?

You know the cliché about the stereotype "rail museum" in the U.S. that has a station and a siding with a boxcar, a baggage car with a model railroad in it, an F7 from a railroad that didn't run in the area, an equally random caboose, and an unrerstored heavyweight from work train service? The British version of that would have one of the thirty-some Bulleid Pacifics from Barry, slowly/occasionally being "restored to operation." (Though, to be fair, the majority have been restored to operation by now or are awaiting an overhaul after years of mainline duty, having been "replaced" by others in the classes.)

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I think they have several examples of the locomotives we sent over to Europe after the war.....but with brake a coupling systems useful for them. The one American appearing locomotive at NRM in York is actually Chinese.

The "Chinese" loco they have there is there because it was built in Britain at their Vulcan Foundry in 1935 and exported to China, so it represents both Britain's role in the global rail industry and an example of larger stuff from overseas: http://www.nrm.org.uk/OurCollection/Loc ... =1987-7001


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:11 pm 

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From the T1 facebook page an interesting photo posted today. The caption: "More boiler work! Here Boilermakers are installing the stays that support the upper front tubesheet. The boiler is rotated upside down right now to make welding and fitting easier. We like showing your donations at work! It is not everyday you get to see the world's largest mainline steam locomotive boiler constructed since 1950." https://www.facebook.com/t1locomotive/p ... =3&theater


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:48 pm 

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"Worlds largest mainline steam locomotive boiler constructed since 1950"; would that have been the boiler for Norfolk & Western Class J 4-8-4 number 613? Just curious.

The being-built boiler for T1 number 5550 sure is impressive.


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:51 am 

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Les Beckman wrote:
"Worlds largest mainline steam locomotive boiler constructed since 1950"; would that have been the boiler for Norfolk & Western Class J 4-8-4 number 613? Just curious.

The being-built boiler for T1 number 5550 sure is impressive.


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If we’re only counting passenger engines turn probably. The Y6b boilers in 1952 definitely had to be the last.


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:14 pm 

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I saw on facebook they are currently building the dies to form the exterior firebox sheets. Would Baldwin use dies for orginial boiler construction or some sort of flanger?


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:29 pm 

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Ted,

A Flanging Machine uses dies specific to the work, radius to being formed is one need, probably others needed for special situations. if you look up the work the WW&F folks are doing on #10 you can see photo's of flanging.


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:21 pm 

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From the T1 facebook page today (I continue to be astonished by the size of this boiler): "Here you can see the latest pictures of the stays holding the front tube sheet in. (Long round bars) They have been welded in. This strengthens the flat area above the tubes when the 300 psi boiler is at full pressure. In the picture, the boiler is upside down right now. This makes welding much easier and faster for the boiler makers. Photos provided by Tom G. at Continental Fabricators."


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 Post subject: Re: Pennsylvania Railroad T1 Steam Locomotive Trust now on F
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:43 am 

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Note the Pandjiris roller support in the last picture, which facilitates easy 'rolling' of cylindrical vessels for downhand/submerged-arc welding. This company has been in the business since 1946, and remains one of the primary sources for the specialty equipment appropriate for easy fabrication of large welded locomotive boiler shells.

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