Closeup of cylinder head.

Well, that certainly has a familiar look to it; kinda like a combination of 567/645 and GE 7FDL engine top decks. You can see the obvious 3-rocker arm concept and fuel rack pushrod to the unit injector-- pure 567. And the individual rocker boxes standing proud of the top deck of the block, well, that's as GE as it gets!

Hope someone gets some preservative goo onto this thing to keep it from getting worse.

Howard P.
No Pushrod, CT

In case anyone is wondering, heres what a Cleveland 278A looks like and what it helped in 567 development..



A Liner..

What is the curved lever on the left side, touching the top of the injector rocker? Is that the cut-out for that particular injector?

Howard P.

Howard,

Thats the overspeed trip.

Heres a good diagram from the USS Slaters website:



Paul

My geuss would be the overspeed trip for that cylinder...looks like its run by a small hydraulic cylinder

Jeff

Here is the original 8-201A power plant from the (Pioneer) Zephyr, on display at the Smithsonian in DC. (I don't know if it is still on view since the area near SR PS-4 1401 has been extensively remodeled.) Compare this engine to the 8-201 prototype on the first page of this thread and also note the Zephyr model in front of it.

The Zephyr, on display at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry, does have a a 201A in it; presumably whichever was aboard when the train was retired in the early 60's.

Steve

The biggest difference I see in the Winton and subsequent engines is the the Winton has pushrod actuated valves whereas the Cleveland 278a and EMD 567 are overhead cam.

This continues to be a very interesting thread.

Dug out a couple more I had stashed...

What is the displacement of a 201A? I always presumed 201 cu in (per cylinder) keeping with EMD nomenclature (not counting the H engine). But 8 x 10" displaces about 502 cu in or am I calculating it incorrectly?

Correct, the 201A was 502 cubic inches. The cubic inch nomenclature did not start until EMD was born. Winton, and Cleveland both used the 200 series numbering, but as to why I honestly do not know, I imagine Preston Cook may.

Here is a more in depth history I wrote a few months back on Winton, and its transformation into Cleveland Diesel:
https://vintagedieseldesign.wordpress.c ... tepsister/

Listing of all Winton and Cleveland models: (which is already outdated, I have alot more to add to some of the missing holes).
https://vintagedieseldesign.wordpress.c ... -the-list/

I think the 201 designation was simply the next number out for a new engine. 201A was a modification of the 201 used at the Century of Progress Exposition in Chicago. UP's pre-Zephyr Streamliner M-10000 had a Winton 191A distillate engine.

Cleveland was successor to Winton, so they continued the Winton number series.

EMD and Detroit Diesel used the displacement-based numbering system.

Phil Mulligan

If I recall correctly, at the Travel Town museum in the Los Angeles area, the former Santa Fe M-177 motor car has an operating Winton that was rebuilt in the circa 1995 to 2010 time frame. I haven't heard much about it in the last 10 years or so though.

Re Winton Diesels and others

i believe that the Motor Car at the Mid-Continent Railway Museum has a Winton Model 6A gas engine. The Montana Western #31 was built by Electro-Motive Corporation at Cleveland, Ohio in 1925.

And a group of volunteers at the South Street Seaport Museum is restoring a 12 cylinder Winton Diesel engine in the Ambrose Lightship. It replaced a 1907 steam engine about 1933. I do not know the model. I saw the engine running about 1975; it was blowing smoke rings, which I understand was from badly adjusted valves.

Ted66

The Mid Continent car has a 106A. Super cool piece of history. Our own Bill B. here was able to set me up with a tour of her a few months ago. I cant speak as to her condition, but by god it looks like you could turn the key on it..

The engine in Ambrose at South Street is a Direct Reversing 149. Unfortunately during one of the museums downfalls about 30 years ago, the engine was taken apart, and the stack never capped. It suffers from major freeze damage to the block, heads and liners, literally the entire engine. A friend of mine is the ship director there, and last I knew they wanted to at-least get it back together in one piece again. I am going to do a post on her on my blog in the near future.

There are a very small handful of Winton gas engines kicking around still, but the only diesel I know of, off the top of my head that actually runs is a privately owned 158 in upstate NY. There is a video of it running on youtube. Circle Line still had a handful running until about 10 years ago, and nobody was able to save them unfortunately. Quite a few large old diesels have gone the way of the dinosaurs that are in old tugs and workboats.