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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:38 pm 

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CNR 6167's July 6, 1943 Wreck.

http://www.trainweb.org/j.dimech/6167/wreck.html

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:10 pm 
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Here are three locomotives that I found off hand on the west coast, all logging engines.
1) The book "Railroads in the Woods" by Labbe and Goe has a picture of Oregon-American 2-6-2T #104 on her side after running away down a hill. She is currently in storage in Merrill, OR.

2)"Rayonier" by James Spencer has a couple of pictures of 2-8-2 #70 after rolling on her side after trying to cross some soft roadbed. #70 is no operated by Mount Rainier Scenic Railroad following a complete overhaul.

3)Several books have pictures of Deep River Logging #7 "Skookum", 2-4-4-2, after derailing and rolling over while backing up. Skookum is privatly owned and currently undergoing restoration at the Oregon Coast Scenic Railroad.

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:14 pm 

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A few more. The first two are engines at the Colorado Railroad Museum.

Rio Grande Southern 4-6-0 #20 just had the dings taken out of the boiler at the Strasburg shops in 2009 after a 1940 wreck.

D&RGW 2-8-0 #346 was involved in a runaway on Kenosha Pass in 1936? and was rebuilt in the Burlington shops in Denver.

Our Meridian Lumber Co. 2-6-0 #202 (currently at the Southern Forest Heritage Museum) was involved in a head on collision with a Red River and Gulf engine in 1915 in the Meridian, LA yard.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:40 am 

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Wilmington & Western's 0-6-0#58 was reportedly rolled over while in service for the military, or just prior to.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:51 am 

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Five I can think of pretty quickly..

1. SP 982 turned over in Eagle Lake, I believe in the late 1940's;

2. SP 786 was involved in a wreck bad enough it required a half cylinder saddle to repair during it's operating career;

3. One of the SP Pacifics, I think 2472, hit an automobile and turned over;

4. Sierra 3 went through a trestle which necessitated her wooden cab replaced with a steel one.

5. SP 745 suffered a boiler explosion on Paisano Pass in Texas.

Most likely all of them have been on the ground in minor incidents through their service lives. I know there is an ICC accident report for the SP Pacific and SP 745 but previous searches for the other mentioned SP locomotives turned up nothing.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:03 am 

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I think you will find many surviving locomotives were involved in wrecks (etc.) which led to overhaul towards the end of their careers. Because they were the last to be overhauled, they were the last to be used, and since they were the last to be used, they were the ones around when it came time to donate locos to towns and museums.

IIRC, L&N 152 was involved in a wreck during her career, leading to a major overhaul. My memory may be way off here though.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:04 pm 

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robertjohndavis wrote:
Steamtown's CPR #2317 has found her self wheels-up, and apparently still has scars.

See second page, about halfway down.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6788&hilit=2317+had+a+boiler+explosion

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:58 pm 
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From the far West...

Colorado Railroad Museum’s Rio Grande Southern #20, currently being rebuilt for operation by Brother Lynn Moedinger at Strasburg Railroad’s shops was badly damaged in a 1943 run away and rollover in south western Colorado… The current rebuilding includes replacement of a portion of a badly dented boiler course from that incident (it was also just plain worn out)

Continuing the theme, also at CRM is D&RGW 346, which is still missing a dome ring from a run away and rollover while on lease to the Colorado Southern Railroad. I believe 346 spent some time at Strasburg previously receiving long term repairs.

Moving further west, North Western Pacific 112 at the California State Railroad Museum was reportedly run off a pier at one time. It is currently mostly stripped waiting for a future restoration, either to operation or static display.

My personal favorite is Southern Pacific Railroad No 1, the C. P. Huntington (formerly Central Pacific No 3) in the collection of the California State Railroad Museum was nearly destroyed in a head on accident on June 5, 1872 .
The C.P. Huntington, while hauling a Watsonville-bound gravel train, collided with a northbound train near Gilroy and was severely damaged. The San Jose Mercury of June 7, 1872, noted: "the construction locomotive is small, and when the collision occurred the larger engine went completely through the smaller, taking in steam boxes, cylinders, smoke stack, driving wheels, boilers, etc., and leaving it a mass of ruins."

A report of the rebuilding from the May 1, 1875, the Minor (sic, likely Mining) Scientific Press of Nevada – most likely taken from an article originally appearing in a San Francisco newspaper.

LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEERING – "THE C.P. HUNTINGTON"
Editors Press: – About two years ago C.P. Huntington met with a terrible accident, and got most fearfully smashed out of form and shape. I do not mean the gentleman who bears that name, and who occupies so conspicuous a position in railroad affairs on this coast, but his namesake, the engine Number 1, belonging to the S.P.R.R. or C.P. Huntington, was one of the engines that had the misfortune to be engaged in the collision that occurred on that road, when one engineer, White, was killed, and Jerry Sullivan, and old McSawyer and other employees of the road were badly injured, and if I remember right, there some three or four passengers killed also. The engines met fact to face while they were going at the rate of twenty-five miles an hours, so that it can be easily imagined that they must have been pretty severely handled; indeed they were literally shivered to atoms. Engine Number 2 was repaired right away, but engine No. 1 was stowed up for a time, and it was not until the last few months that the administration determined to rebuild again.

Last week it was finished, and certainly a peculiar looking craft it is. The engine is of a most unique pattern, there being but one or two others like it on the coast. The front of the engine rests on a truck somewhat n the same manner that other locomotives do, but there is but one pair of driving wheels, which are located immediately in front of the fire-box, while the hind part of the engine and the tender, which are joined together, rest on a single truck, which brings up the rear. The engine has been rebuilt in the most thorough manner by Messrs. Wilson & Smith, and all the latest improvements in locomotives have been put on that go to make a first-class engine. With the exception of one or two plates in the centre of the boiler, it is entirely new, being built at the boiler shops of the company, by Mr. J. Kelshaw. There are also new cylinders, steam-chests, steam-pipes, dry-pipes, and indeed, nearly all the main parts of the engine, with the exception of the wheels and a few other items, are new, so that as she stands to-day, it is more as a new engine than one that has been simply rebuilt. One of the Westinghouse air brakes has been put on, but the position of the air drum, and the various pipes leading thereto tend rather to detract than otherwise from the looks of the engine, and the various pipes leading thereto, tend rather to detract than otherwise from the looks of the engine, giving it a clumsy and muddled appearance. It has been painted throughout in the most somber colors that could possibly have been thought of, without making it black altogether and looks in striking contrast to the gay and bright looking engines that come out here from the East. With the exception of the bottom part of the smoke stack, which, strangely enough has been painted a flaming red, the engine and tender is of a dark brown color, relieved at places by the brown having a greenish tint given to it.

On the side of the cab is the name of the engine, C.P. Huntington, put on in gold leaf, and Mr. Wilson, the painter, has placed some very pretty designs directly underneath, with the words "Enterprise, 1863," and on the next panel, "Progress, 1875," intending to show the enterprise and indomitable energy that in 1863, began to work and fight its way onward, in spite of all the difficulties that obstructed its path, and now in the year of 1875, we can mark the extensive progress that has been made, and the great results that have been achieved in so short a time on this new line of road.

Taken altogether, it is a peculiar looking thing, blending as it does, in its own being, some of the crude ideas that prevailed at the time it was originally built, and also carrying with it some of the latest and best improvements that human skill and thought have been able to suggest in the engineering world. S.C.


(Thanks to Historian Larry Mullaly for the historic information on C P Huntington)

Finally, very close to home (at least to my home and work place, and favorite place to preserve old railroad equipment) Southern Pacific 1010 in the Society for the Preservation of Carter Railroad Resources collection at Ardenwood Farm (http://www.spcrr.org) a 1882 narrow gauge passenger car, was broadsided by a Virginia and Truckee passenger train in January 1900. The car still has a split side sill from the encounter, and for now a patch in the terne metal roof… At the time the information was discovered by the late Dale Darney, all equipment involved was still in existence… since V&T baggage car was lost to a fire at Old Tucson.

Randy

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:42 pm 

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I thought I heard somewhere (Trains magazine?) that SP&S 700 rolled down a hill during her career. Is there any evidence of that?

Also, you could state the obvious-Valley 3025's damage from the Knox and Kane fire.

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In Scotland, North British no. 224, a 4-4-0 built in 1871, the loco hauling the train involved in the Tay Bridge Disaster in 1879, was salvaged from bottom of the river and repaired.

It remained in service until 1919, acquiring the nickname of The Diver. Understandably, superstitious drivers were reluctant to take it over the new Tay Bridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_Bridge_disaster

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:56 am 

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CN #3254 was in a good wreck at some point in her life. The front frame horns are bent down and to the side and her #1 pedestal binder toes have been re-attached with some surgical welding. The frame has a sideways bow and the cab doesn't sit straight on the frame.

B&M #3713 has been laid on her side more than once. One of the wrecks involved breaking the front pilot beam end on the fireman's side clean off and bending the webs and plumbing on the left cylinder casting. The other wreck put her on her right side after splitting a switch. I have a pic of that one but not at home.

Although minor, the BLW #26 rammed something at some point in her life, hard enough to put a healthy dent in her pilot beam. It also humped the frame up 3/4". This was not straightened out by her previous owners, who made binders to fit the crowded toes and put her back into service. The frame was pulled back and new pedestal binders were made by the current owner SNHS.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:01 pm 

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West Virginia Northern #9 ran away down a 5% grade with train in tow. The resulting mess broke the saddle. A new one was ordered from Baldwin, but in the mean time the old one was fixed and never got replaced. So among the various parts the WVRRM got with 8 & 9 is a spare saddle!!!

I don't have my books available at the moment but wasn't Cass's #4 wrecked by a prior owner?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:12 pm 

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Louisiana & Arkansas 4-6-0 #509 was in a spectacular head-on with a 2-8-2. A side-view photo of the wreck showed the 509 up into the smokebox of the mike. The 509's tender tank was torn from it's frame and smashed forward trapping the fireman in the left side gangway as the tank crushed the cab towards the backhead. You could see his left boot, glove and hat sticking out from the 2" space that used to be the gangway.
We were told that the loco was rebuilt at the L&A Shops. It later derailed on straight level track and diverted down a dirt road and into the post office - killing the postmaster! The loco was rebuilt again and remained in service many years, but earned a reputation has a VooDoo engine - haunted - or possesed with an intent for killing.
In the 1970's the loco was at the Whitewater Valley in Brookville, IN. In the 1980's, she went to TVRM and is now on display in Cookeville, TN. It was always a treat to take a look at the frame of that engine. It had weld repairs everywhere - and lots of them.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:53 pm 

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I think the D&LN/DT&I baldwin 4-4-0 #7 at Greenfield Village was in a telescopic wreck in 1910. I've seen a picture of it inside a wooden passenger car.

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 Post subject: Re: Wreck to rebuild to preservation locomotives???
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:26 pm 

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Kelly Anderson wrote:
Our #90 was rolled over onto her fireman’s side twice while on the Great Western, resulting in the death of the fireman both times.

In her early years at Strasburg she had a pretty good lope, and when the valve gear was set for the first time at Strasburg, it was found that the left side was in better time than the right, probably due to its having been set reset after the rollover while the right was not.

Today, evidence of her traumatic past can be seen in the rather homemade appearance of her cab,probably built in the Burlington shops in Denver, pretty rough and ready compared to a Baldwin factory cab.


Legend (or rumor, take your pick) has it that GW also had a pretty nasty roundhouse fire, in which 90 was used to pull several other engines, including now-preserved 2-8-0 #60 from the blaze before the engines suffered serious damage.


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