Correction:

243. Omaha Club at RailsWest RR Museum, Council Bluffs, IA

This is not a former Pullman-owned car, but is instead CB&Q #215 Omaha Club (2nd), ex-Minneapolis Club* (1st), nee-Minneapolis, a dinette lounge solarium observation, built by Pullman in March 1928 in Lot #6114.

*(This car should not be confused with the Minneapolis Club/Lago Manso mentioned in an earlier post.)

It was previously incorrectly listed as...

Omaha Club (Lot #6274, Plan #3989A/T, 1929/42, 8S-rest-lng-sol, CRI&P)--sold to SP&S (1948) renamed to Mount Jefferson (1949) to baggage-RPO #41 (1960)

So, line item #243 is now blank/void.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. "Burlington Passenger Car Roster, 1869-1930's" by William L. Glick (Quincy House, 1987)

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Update:

229. Seneca Valley (Lot #6356, Plan #3988A/E/F/G/H, 1930, 1DR-1SB-buf-lng-obs, Southwestern Limited)--sold to Royal American Shows (1956) later resold to Hollywood RR Station Museum, Hollywood, FL (19??) scrapped 2017

As previously discussed in this thread, the Seneca Valley was part of the fiasco regarding misuse of funds intended to restore it and a few other cars for the Dorothy M. Bush Museum.

In the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook, in a post from August 2020 regarding the restored Tonawanda Valley at the Danbury RR Museum (line item #204), it was reported that the Seneca Valley had been scrapped in situ in 2017 by the FEC during that road's ownership change.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Surviving Passenger Cars in the United States group on Facebook

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Update/Full Info:

As reported earlier in this thread, the 2 ex-PRR Pullman 12-1's that ORHS inherited in the Dabo acquisition were indeed scrapped:

415. Trenton (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR, ex-Paul Revere)--sold to PRR #8899 (1948) renamed (1951) to MofW #492908 (1962) resold to Dabo, Inc., Orrville, OH (19??) to Orrville RHS (2015) scrapped in January 2021

416. Parkesburg (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR, ex-Martha Washington)--sold to PRR #8868 (1948) renamed (1951) to MofW #492859 (1962) resold to Dabo, Inc., Orrville, OH (19??) to Orrville RHS (2015) scrapped in January 2021

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Update:

394. Paul Jones (Lot #4894, Plan #3410A, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8898 (1948) to MofW #492896 (1962) later sold to Indiana Transportation Museum, Noblesville, IN (19??) moved to Logansport, IN (2019) scrapped in April 2021

395. Poor Richard Club (Lot #6361, Plan #3992A/E/F/G/H, 1930, plr [13]-rest-lng, PRR)--sold to PRR #7010 (1945) to MofW #27001 (1956) later sold to Indiana Transportation Museum, Noblesville, IN (19??) moved to Logansport, IN (2019) scrapped in April 2021

Fallout of the ongoing ITM saga. These 2 cars had been stored off-site in Noblesville for years; a move of the cars to Logansport couldn't save them from the torch.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Update:

417. Perry (Lot #4485, Plan #2410F, 1917/40, 12S-1DR)--Tourist #1614 (1940)--sold to AT&SF MofW #196432 (1953) to #196813 (19??) to Wes and Cindy Vail-Timber Heritage Association (19??) stored at Shiloh Business Center, Windsor, CA (c. 1999-2000) moved to Schellville, CA (December 2015) listed for sale on Ozark Mountain (2019) resold to Nevada Southern, Boulder City, NV (2021)

Above 2021 sale info comes from a report in a group on Facebook.

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Update:

115. Marco Polo (Lot #6037, Plan #3972, 1927, pvt. car)--sold to CofG as the Savannah (1944) to SOU via merger (1963) later leased to the Choo Choo Hotel in Chattanooga (1970's?) later removed and restored (1980's) to NS via merger as #30 (1982) parked at Washington Union Station as an on-site venue for entertaining dignitaries/VIP's (19??) removed a few years ago at the behest of Amtrak and moved to Altoona for evaluation, then placed on permanent loan to the Southeastern RY Museum, Duluth, GA

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Update:

261. Da Costa (Lot #6087, Plan #3416A/C, 1927, plr [28]-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #7068 (1945) to MofW #492115 (1956) resold to TLE&W* (19??) resold to J.M. Hebda (circa 5/1988) resold to Valley RR as the Dacosta (no space in name) (circa 7/1988) renamed sometime in the last few years to Goodspeed

*I saw a mention in the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook in October 2020 that it wasn't the TLE&W, but the Toledo, Angola & Western RR

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Surviving Passenger Cars in the United States group on Facebook

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I inquired about these cars in the Surviving Passenger Cars group as well, and someone replied that the Manufacturers' Club had been located for some time in Newark, OH, back around the same timeframe as Page's report of the car being in Columbus. I did some searching, and I had been thinking that perhaps the location given for the car in Columbus, Buckeye Steel Car, had been a scrapping outfit, but it turns out that it was instead a casting foundry, later Columbus Castings, and now closed in the last several years.

Source:

1. Surviving Passenger Cars in the United States group on Facebook

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A "Where Is It Now?" Car:

Crystal Beach (Lot #6125, Plan #3959A, 1928, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, Overland Limited)--renamed to Golden Beach (1937, Golden State)--sold to EJ&E safety instruction Mt. Safe-J (1955)

I have never seen mention of this car still being extant somewhere, nor have any recent pictures turned up, but given that some other cars that the EJ&E owned are still indeed around (the ex-B&LE combine #25 and the Dover Strait [line item #19] at IRM, for example), did the Mr. Safe-J also survive through to the present day?

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

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Could this be it? I haven't figured out what Mr. Safe J's number was, 40 could be a guess by the new owner: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/402 ... otostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/402 ... otostream/

The caption says "Bob McGilvray Jr.
DuBois, Pennsylvania (2 of 2)
Elgin, Joliet & Eastern (EJ&E) 40
I'm not sure of this cars planned usage. At least it wasn't gutted like the others, but then again, if you own it, you can do whatever you want to it.

Dr Doolittle's Roadside Café & Creamery

GPS coordinates... 41.135342, -78.778070"

Looks similar to Mr. Safe-J from 1965: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=3533250

Edit: just noticed the truss rod, so that probably is not it.

An update on the cars at Crane NSWC. I've been informed that the two MILW cars were scrapped sometime during 2020, which would lead me to believe that the heavyweight stored with those two was also scrapped.

As for the wrecked car, it's at these coordinates 38.835490, -86.819747. From what I understand, which is something that the satellite imagery doesn't show, is that the car went into reasonably deep ditch, making it diffcult to remove the car.

Yeah, EJ&E #40 is clearly a wood business car, not the Mr. Safe-J...interesting that the EJ&E #40 should come up at the same time that the #50 came up in another thread.

What are all the rail facilities in the near vicinity of the coordinates you specified?

I inquired about these cars in the Surviving Passenger Cars group as well, and Wil Hata replied with a photo from 2014 which would indicate that the Angeline is/was still indeed at the MRHF, so it warrants a line item number, for the record.

483. Angeline

Photo:

1. 01/18/14: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n8myc/12125156206/ (Bob McGilvray, Jr. photo)

Sources:

1. "The Complete Roster of Heavyweight Pullman Cars" by Robert J. Wayner (Wayner Publications, 1985)

2. "Passenger Car Catalog: Pullman Operated Equipment, 1912-1949" by William W. Kratville (Kratville Publications, 1968)

3. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

4. Herman Page's list of surviving Pullman heavyweights, July 1999 edition

5. Surviving Passenger Cars in the United States group on Facebook

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In the Surviving Passenger Cars group, Jacob Carey posted an update that the above car Angeline was scrapped at MRHF several years ago. As the car is not extant, line item #483 is hereby instead voided.