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 Post subject: Re: Harriman Coaches
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:42 pm 
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Brian, thanks for the info on the MRSR cars.

As listed in the other thread, #2141 is 1 of 20 of the IC-72 "Commute" cars that were already off of the SP roster prior to 1976, as they are not included in the listings in the 3rd volume of Randall's "Railway Passenger Car Annual". (Amended: I now also have copies of the 1st and 2nd volumes of the RPCA, and the listings are the same, i.e., all 20 cars were already off of the roster by 1973.)

#2086
#2088
#2090
#2094
#2102
#2103
#2107
#2108
#2110 - private owner, Folsom, CA
#2116
#2122
#2123
#2126
#2137 - Yreka Western
#2141
#2146
#2149
#2150
#2151
#2158 - Grand Canyon RY

This would line up with what was said over in the other thread several years ago, that the OP&E acquired 6 cars from SP in 1971.

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1. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume One (1973-1974)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1974)

2. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume Two (1975)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1975)

3. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume One (1976)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1976)

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 Post subject: Re: Harriman Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:59 pm 
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Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City, purchased the entire "lot" of equipment being offered by a private party after the failure of the Heber operation.

Included were (Harriman equipment only)
1) 4 "60'" Harriman, SP coaches, two with seats, two without. 3 of those cars were rehabilitated for use on the tourist train... the two with seats as coaches, one without with added side doors as our ADA car. (note, the rehabilitation was not preservation oriented, instead it was operationally oriented, and included sand blasting the car bodies, in
stalling air conditioning, Aluminum window sash and painting them blue and silver) The fourth car is on loan to the Clark County museum in nearby Henderson. (note: a 60' Harriman is really 68' long, as the Harriman system did not include platforms in their length for the class identification.)
2) Oregon Short Line 2314, a Harriman RPO Baggage, now on display with restored interior
3) Union Pacific 414, a 79' Harriman designed coach (technially 70' long via the CS class system which does not count platforms, which had been converted to a chair car by UP, including air conditioning. The car is nearly complete, and is a wonderful restoration candidate, but has never been put in service at Boulder City.
4) 72' UP Harriman Diner, UP 366, converted to work service by UP, circa 1953. Car has been rehabilitated and adapted to the museum's "Big open" with window sash removed. Again, this rehabilitation was not preservation, but instead adaptive reuse.
5) Five additional 60' Harriman coaches, all converted to work service, with interiors stripped, additional side doors added, and some windows plated over. Most window sash missing, all in MoW silver. These cars were received on 4 wheel passenger trucks, but trucks on 4 of the cars have been replaced with cast freight trucks at Boulder City, with the removed trucks sold.

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 Post subject: Re: Harriman Coaches
PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:10 am 

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Brian, thanks for the info on the MRSR cars.

As listed in the other thread, #2141 is 1 of 20 of the IC-72 "Commute" cars that were already off of the SP roster prior to 1976, as they are not included in the listings in the 3rd volume of Randall's "Railway Passenger Car Annual". (Amended: I now also have copies of the 1st and 2nd volumes of the RPCA, and the listings are the same, i.e., all 20 cars were already off of the roster by 1973.)

#2086
#2088
#2090
#2094
#2102
#2103
#2107
#2108
#2110 - private owner, Folsom, CA
#2116
#2122
#2123
#2126
#2137 - Yreka Western
#2141
#2146
#2149
#2150
#2151
#2158 - Grand Canyon RY

This would line up with what was said over in the other thread several years ago, that the OP&E acquired 6 cars from SP in 1971.

Sources:

1. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume One (1973-1974)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1974)

2. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume Two (1975)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1975)

3. "Railway Passenger Car Annual: Volume One (1976)" by W. David Randall and Zenon R. Hansen (RPC Publications, 1976)


Ted, I believe I can shed some light on one of these cars.

Careful viewing of "Emperor of the North" will show car 2146 is seen in the yard in Cottage Grove towards the beginning of the movie when 19 rolls in with the burning stock car. The car number is plainly visible in the backgrounds of a few shots.

This car was used on the passenger train, which A-No. 1 and Cigaret ride the roof of. As far as my research goes, 2146 was the first car in this consist and seems to have been named "Bohemia" for its appearance. There were two other suburbans in this sequence.

I once found an excellent photograph showing this car just as I have described, but the link to it has been broken. If anyone thinks they may have access to a photo like this, please get in touch with me.

Lastly Ted, thanks for the information - I have added this to my expanding research documents regarding "Emperor of the North" and the OP&E.

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 Post subject: Re: Harriman Coaches
PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:08 am 

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[quote="Randy Hees"]Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City, purchased the entire "lot" of equipment being offered by a private party after the failure of the Heber operation.

Included were (Harriman equipment only)

2) Oregon Short Line 2314, a Harriman RPO Baggage, now on display with restored interior

Randy- Was that the Harriman mail car listed for sale a few months ago? It looked to be fairly complete and in nice shape.


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